USH'S MATRIX GAME FOURTH ASSIGNMENT (PHILOSOPHY PATH)- 'The Journey'

but we are allowed to communicate so we could easily decide between one another.

Yes, but that really does not make any difference to your final submission because you are both working on the same reasoning. So in the end, I will take your final submission and apply its logic according to the logic and beliefs you have given me, to your other self. So long as I am convinced that you actually believe these things you are saying, in essence you are trying to convince yourself. It's an internal issue, really.

So would my reasoning of that it didn't matter who drinks, because no matter what happens, it will be good for Xion, work?

well..basicly..my reasoning would be the same...only that my submission to melitus would have something like. "let's say I drink it.." or "let's say HE drinks it.." It's not that i actually care who's drinking...so he should agree on my choice

Well, I would accept the submission that it does not matter as far as Zion is concerned, Azrael, because I think it is logically consistent with your beliefs and hence your other self would accept it.

However, I may need more detail on 'it does not matter who drinks'; on its own, that can be questioned.

Meanwhile, Rade, well, I'll point out if there are any seveere problems at the time of submission- I shall try and time it so you all have a day or two to make alterations.

It is more meant along the lines of, it does not matter who drinks because either will be able to help Xion.

Okay what topics can i base an unmirrorable argument on.

Since creation has the clone been doing the same thing the real castor has?

Yes, but you may think it matters for other reasons, Azrael.

Well, you assume so, Castor. Both have been through the same Assignment 4 experience. Remember you are all mixed up.

Ahha, you want me to give more reasons?

Well, ideally I would want every rationale you can possibly give to your argument.

So our experiences are the same.

For some reaosn the fact that we have different walls is making me nervous. That means we couldnt have taken the same path. You cant take the same path and end up in a rooms that are parrallel.

Unless the rooms doors are right next to each other, and they were not when we entered. That means our paths could nto have been the same. No way...None.

We might not be in the same room...

We arent but he said we followed the same path it cant be the same..no way at all..not if we did it at the same time. The rooms are parallel to one another so something about this sint right.

I duno things in the matrix can change. We might have had deja vu in a place where it was noticible. You never know. lol. To confusing! lol

Well, the only difference is lefts and rights; the effective experience/gameplay difference is zilch.

The combat path will be moving onto their finale soon, I thought I should appraise you of that. I'll give you as much time as I can.

what if we are unable to think of solution to the problem or which one should drink. Do we both die then?

"Problem" and "solution" are sauch misnomers- it makes it sound like a set puzzle with a set answer. If you don't give me any response then obviously you have failed. If you give me an inadequate response you have also failed. You should be trying to give the best response you can.

As for dying- is that what you want?

no, im just finding it hard to make an unarguable argument. Everypoint i pose is rejected. I was really enthused about the wall throry but alas it was 'Rejected'.

If everything is the same i cant see how it can be distinguished. The only way to truely know is to drink. We are the same. Our arguments even our intuitions and thoughts.

If we cannot sistinguish a difference there is no way to make a choice. In a way we have alreayd made the choice, but since we cant yet understand it we cannto know the outcome. The oracle said that what is nothing without why.

Why do we want to find out who is who, so we can be free and continue to fight for zion. Why is it important that we figure this out, because if we dont both of us will die, and thats no good for zion. Why are we the same, because meltius wrote the correct code to simulate castor short of being able to jack out. Why did meltius do this, because he wanted us to undertsand Jerichos decision? Something leads me to believe this is not the case.

Was Jericho faced with this scenario? We dont know? I suppose the one who can justify a reason why one should drink and the other shouldnt will truely understand jericho? Those who cannot are not fit to go on.

Hmm...Anything getting close ush, anything you think i could build on?

A lot of it makes a good base for your submission and certainly shows thought on the subject.

Incidentally, as you mention Jericho, do remember what Melitus' original offer to you at the end of the third assignment was. As for why Melitus is doing this... that is by no means irrelevvant. I welcome discussion on such things. It won't actually help you come up with a submission for this problem, though, so you may find it a distraction.

If part of your submission is "There is no perceivable difference..." I accept that (remember Melitus went to great lengths to talk about difference in this assignment). You have a tangible difference, but no perceivable one. Others may disagree, but if that is your view I find that consistent. So... what next? Regardless of who you think is best for Zion, if you cannot distinguish which is which, that doesn'r help you.

Okay so there is obviously no percieveable difference between us. What differences can we know of that are not exactly percievable. Code, while we know there is a difference in code we cannot see it. Sentience, we have established that thing that can act independantly and change without set bounds are sentient. Then theres the Soul, machines dont have them. Programs dont have them, but we cant see them....