Originally posted by The Highlord
It is imo a waste to go playing a paladin and try rambo'ing around since the class was build to support, and so its a waste to go solo, your not going to have so much succes as with a more solo focused class like a warlock, he can stand alone pretty good and dosent relie and aint made for lending a hand to others as much as the paladin is., and btw no the paladin dosent relie so much on others but he sure aint anything significent in anyway alone either, a 2h paladin in average epics is like a blue geard warrior without a hamstring and vital stuff like a mortal strike and sweeping strikes.
Don't forget, they can heal, kinda a big thing there.
You give up some of those skills for the ability to heal, bubble and stay alive much longer than any warrior.
And it isn't a waste if he enjoys playing the class the way he plays it, that's all that matters.
Originally posted by The Highlord
The paladin is the best healer and supporter in pvp yes but only if speeched right with the gear that supports that build, if hes not its like a bad played blue geard warrior that is little to no treat
Originally posted by The Highlord
Paladins cant swing swords thats the problem, the dmg is so bad even with 30 % crit rate and a weapon with aprox 200-350 dmg its still quite laiughable dmg not even a reason to do it. and its boooring play
I find it hard to believe that you've met any good retribution paladin at all...
I've met all kinds of ret paladins from those in green/blue geard that just started pvp'ing to full aq40/naxx geard onces that have played wow since release, to just full time pvp'ers you name it, and they've all proven to be useless, you probobly think Jamaz and Greivious where good too? there is no such thing as a effective retribution paladin, its all just a waste of raid spot. the ret paladins cant deliver and thats that, there is nothing significant about them, nothing special, nothing that no one else cant do, infact the retribution cant do a damn thing. sry but thats how it is atm.
lol you talk about PvE like thats all the game has to offer...IMO... PvE is just nonstop +healing and mp5 trash gear while all the other classes get great DPS gear
if thats the way you roll, then thats fine... but your opinion does not amount to fact..
P.S. if you were serious thinking that Retribution was ever meant for raiding then I really feel bad for you...
Originally posted by The Highlord
Paladins cant swing swords thats the problem, the dmg is so bad even with 30 % crit rate and a weapon with aprox 200-350 dmg its still quite laiughable dmg not even a reason to do it. and its boooring play
Especially when he can do it about 3/10 times.
Originally posted by BackFire
Don't forget, they can heal, kinda a big thing there.You give up some of those skills for the ability to heal, bubble and stay alive much longer than any warrior.
And it isn't a waste if he enjoys playing the class the way he plays it, that's all that matters.
Yeah its pretty damn hard to die while playing a paladin. I'm a level 36 and a couple of days ago I had three level 39's attack me. Luckily I have holy light, divine shield, blesson of protection and Lay on hands... so in the end I survived with about 2/3 of my health left (and depleting all of my mana, but still)
Originally posted by The Highlord
I've met all kinds of ret paladins from those in green/blue geard that just started pvp'ing to full aq40/naxx geard onces that have played wow since release, to just full time pvp'ers you name it, and they've all proven to be useless, you probobly think Jamaz and Greivious where good too? there is no such thing as a effective retribution paladin, its all just a waste of raid spot. the ret paladins cant deliver and thats that, there is nothing significant about them, nothing special, nothing that no one else cant do, infact the retribution cant do a damn thing. sry but thats how it is atm.
you sound like one of those pricks that don't allow anyone with mediocore gear to play with you.
and from the sounds of they way you play, you probably are.
Originally posted by The Highlord
800 white crit is baaaaad DarkC it really is, and i was talking about pvp sat, its bad dmg in pvp and can easily be outhealed, very easily. and stink I play with ppl that acturly can play, sure I wont pickup a greengeard guy, I'l take the onces playing their class best if they are nice ppl...
'Kay, I'm no longer bothering to mince my words.
The way you're speaking, it makes me wonder what kind of guild you're in, some collective gathering of arrogance so smothering you'd need a tube sticking out of your mouth to breathe? What the hell right do you think you have to tell someone else that they suck (when they don't, actually) and that they "need2lrn" to play their class?
This game is about choice, my delusional friend. He has made his, I have made mine, whatever. It doesn't give you leeway to start insulting him because he doesn't play his class to your liking.
I just said it was a waste thats all, funny you mention sucking, well for me thats something thats not getting the job done and aint effective in any way and always dispoints, well maybe note ven cause honestly at this point I dont have any exspectations for 2h rambo pallys, its nothing personal, first of I know what the classes are capable of in pvp and how useful that really is, and i know pretty damn well the capabilitys of the paladin, all im saying is using time on a ret paladin is a waste of time since it dosent do any good, and is very boring to play. 800 white dmg crit is pretty bad to be fair compared to say a warrior.
Why am i delusional and arrogant? I know exsacly how the paladins work in about every way, and i havint insulted anyone i just told the facts as they are, its like a rocket engineer tells a guy out of 9th grade that he cant work the rockets with his current knowlaege and exspiriance cause he just cant do it, same gose for ret paladins they cant do a damn thing, so why even bother? its not even fun to play a retribution paladin, its sooooo dull there is nothing to it, I've played it myself, and i had alot of ppl saying ''ohh you own, wow your a machine'' but tbh they didint know anything about paladins in pvp and pretty clue about pvp even tho they've spent quite some time pvp'ing.
You're comparing damage in an apples to oranges kind of way. Yeah, 800 isn't great for a class like a warrior or a mage or lock, but when you take into account the fact that this is a paladin who caused this damage, the class with the best survivability in the entire game, and that's nothing to laugh at. While a warrior may crit harder, he'll die faster, thus not allowing him to get as many hits in and thus, not as many crits.
Why am i delusional and arrogant? I know exsacly how the paladins work in about every way, and i havint insulted anyone i just told the facts as they are, its like a rocket engineer tells a guy out of 9th grade that he cant work the rockets with his current knowlaege and exspiriance cause he just cant do it, same gose for ret paladins they cant do a damn thing, so why even bother?
Was the irony here intentional? Either way, it was really funny, good show.
The ret paladin dosent have the best survivability BF, sat has 3900 hp thats very low, 2400 mana thats not gonna give much healing if hes also gonna have to dmg, in the thick of a fight he'l not get to heal in most occasions when the bubble aint up cause of the very easy to interupt spell casting by the time the heal is done (could be up to 6-7 sec per heal) there will be nothing but a dead paladin.
Originally posted by The Highlord
I just said it was a waste thats all, funny you mention sucking, well for me thats something thats not getting the job done and aint effective in any way and always dispoints, well maybe note ven cause honestly at this point I dont have any exspectations for 2h rambo pallys, its nothing personal, first of I know what the classes are capable of in pvp and how useful that really is, and i know pretty damn well the capabilitys of the paladin, all im saying is using time on a ret paladin is a waste of time since it dosent do any good, and is very boring to play. 800 white dmg crit is pretty bad to be fair compared to say a warrior.
So if I told you now that your current build, UI, and method of playing was a complete and utter waste, you wouldn't take it as an insult. Once again, think outside the box!
You don't know how effective they are in PvP unless you've fought one and killed one, I'm assuming your class can kill Paladins easy. Trust me, it ain't so easy for other classes. If he has great melee gear and heal himself as well, he shouldn't so bad in PvP. With the crit rate too.
Boring to play, yeah, I'm sure.
Have you played a retribution Paladin with epicced out gear and a very hard hitting two hander?
Originally posted by The Highlord
Why am i delusional and arrogant? I know exsacly how the paladins work in about every way, and i havint insulted anyone i just told the facts as they are, its like a rocket engineer tells a guy out of 9th grade that he cant work the rockets with his current knowlaege and exspiriance cause he just cant do it, same gose for ret paladins they cant do a damn thing, so why even bother? its not even fun to play a retribution paladin, its sooooo dull there is nothing to it,
Do you? No. It doesn't matter how well you think you know his class. It doesn't give you the right to judge if he sucks or not. That's his decision and his alone. It simply makes you lose face and look like a uptight prick.
Originally posted by The Highlord
I've played it myself, and i had alot of ppl saying ''ohh you own, wow your a machine'' but tbh they didint know anything about paladins in pvp and pretty clue about pvp even tho they've spent quite some time pvp'ing.
They don't know anything about Paladins in PvP, yet they've spent quite some time PvPing, probably with Paladins and some retribution Paladins to boot. Yet they still respect you.
Go back to the drawing board and edit it until it makes a bit of sense. Seriously, I fail to see how that works.
No I wouldint take that as an insult DarkC, how can that be an insult, infact I dont really get insulted tbh at least not that i know of, anyway I play a paladin, and i know how effective they are yes cause as you say, i have infact 'fought one and killed one' well alot more then one, and yet never been killed by one so that says something I guess 😛
and yes I've played a epic geard paladin with a 2hander and I know alot of others who have aswell in the past and we all agree that is not any good.
Yet you need to tell me now what is so good about a 2hander paladin, how dose it benefit his team and himself more then playing the way the character was designed to be played, yeah they have added some abilitys to the class but its still not very useful in a fight,
sure you can crit, but its still not useful, cause alot of mana and time will be used to do a half assed job, instead of keeping a steady going dps up for the group by supporting the classes that need support, so they can acturly deliver the way it was ment to be.
You get what im saying, by being a retrbution paladin you aint doing anything useful.
The paladin was designed to be a supporter let there be no mistake about this, I cant stress this enough.
Yes you can make him a 2hander, but it is not useful, that is why I said it was a waste do you get it?
Killed highlord kruul.
Everytime someone dies that person heals him for 70k so we had to makesure no one died from a melle strike.
Other than that he was just like kassak with a few changes, he goes zerker quicker and likes to give us all massive SB's to the face. ( wrong i know)
Oh and better lewt table than kassak, some plate droped