Originally posted by The Highlord
No I wouldint take that as an insult DarkC, how can that be an insult, infact I dont really get insulted tbh at least not that i know of, anyway I play a paladin, and i know how effective they are yes cause as you say, i have infact 'fought one and killed one' well alot more then one, and yet never been killed by one so that says something I guess 😛
You've spent X amount of hours levelling this character to 60, Y amount of hours honing PvP skills, Z amount of hours raiding. Add those up and you get B amount of hours total. You're pretty happy with the talent tree you chose and you think it's very effective and what your style of play is. Someone comes along, spitefully tells you that it was all a waste, those long B hours playing as your character.
If it wasn't an insult, what would you take it as, advice?
Secondly, you don't seem to catch on very well; you see, I said that either you haven't fought a skilled one in combat or you're a class that can take a Paladin on in one on one combat easily. I'm assuming it's safely the latter.
Remember, just because a few classes can easily kill a Paladin does not mean that every single class in the game beats on them.
Fine, you've played a epic geared Paladin and assumed that it was shit. Congratulations. Not sure if you've gotten 800 crits on a warrior (which is about 1000 on a leather-wearer and 1300+ on a clothie.) before. Still nothing to sneeze at, by any means.
Originally posted by The Highlord
and yes I've played a epic geard paladin with a 2hander and I know alot of others who have aswell in the past and we all agree that is not any good.sure you can crit, but its still not useful, cause alot of mana and time will be used to do a half assed job, inst blah blah blah blah
Just because you've played the class and know fairly well how it works does not give you the right to give orders to others how to play their class. Read what I said again.
Sure, go ahead and give them passive advice, everybody's happy.
What do you do?
You barge in and laugh mockingly at the amount of HP and Mana he has, spit on his gear, spit on his build, spit on his choice of play.
Have you considered the fact that you're being rude?
Have you considered the fact that he's already set in his ways?
That stamina and intellect might not be one of his main attributes?
That he's been a 60 Paladin for a while now, and has a good idea of how to play his class?
The amount of effort and effectiveness in PvP it may have took to get his Rank 14 Sword in the first place? His armour?
Have you considered that other people may not share your narrow sense of view?
You seem to know the class, fine. But stop ordering other players around if you don't have the authority to.
you call that ordering?, I gave him/everyone some facts, take it for what you will. and yes sorry sometimes what your doing with your char can infact be a waste of time like playin counter strike and only tryng to knife ppl to death while everyone else will gun you down, or play Age of Empries and only use builders to attack its useless and a waste of time,
Same gose for the retribution paladin tbh its just not as clear always and it can get some things done but yet fails to do the most commnly and the most rewarding stuff, and lets not forget it fails to be fun.
'''''Have you considered the fact that you're being rude?''''''
Giving some facts about how it really works, how much better he'd be of by not choosing that spec, gear, and playstyle, comparing my own exspiriance and how well that works compared to the one hes using now is being rude? doh....
''''''Have you considered the fact that he's already set in his ways?'''''
Well persoanly if someone came and told me that I may be on the wrong side of things and I could do alot better (if i changed on this, and that and the other and so on and so forth) I'd listen to the person, look at all the points I've been givin.
(I know for a fact that what I've said makes damn good sence since I know im right as far as, effectivness, fun''you also got alot more to do which makes it all more fun with this playstyle'' (you dont want to be 1 bottun only playing, No you dont so stop pretending) and possibilitys gose, holy/protection is the right way and let there be no mistake)
So first thing, look at it from a positive way, try it out, (OFCOURSE TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN IT!) and not just try it die, oh well this sucks, no it takes alot of time, and you need to look at all the things you acturly need to work on, so you try it out, maybe ask for some advise if needed, if you dont think the spec is better for effectiveness, fun, and dosent have more to offer and whatbe it, tell me why, and then also tell me why retribution is better(yes i want good reasons) (even if i have to prove you wrong again! which I will btw 😛 ).
'''''That stamina and intellect might not be one of his main attributes?'''''
Well as I said I know the paladin class well, its the only class I've lvl'ed up to 60, so I know his gear and what play method hes using, and since I've infact played the paladin alot I know he lacks stamina and int he has high crit rate tho(and thats all that gear us doing mostly, crit crit crit rate, some 25%-31% i think he had when I looked at the profile, but with that gear there is little to non spell power anyway so what I see is a auto attack seal/judge of command along with crusader strike (hope for a crit chain) which do happend yes, but how many crits will you get of with roughly 4k health and little to no mana to heal back after doing some ''nuking'' nah not much, so the survivability aint exsacly good, so the gear choice dosent quite make sence tbh.
'''That he's been a 60 Paladin for a while now, and has a good idea of how to play his class?'''
So? the gear, talent points and play method all speak against him having a 'good idea of how to play his class' and thats fact.
'''The amount of effort and effectiveness in PvP it may have took to get his Rank 14 Sword in the first place?'''
Ok Stop right there, its quite common knowleage that after the 2.0 it dosent take any hard work to get the rank 14 weapons, havint you been seeing the green/blue geard ppl that never really pvp'ed before 2.0 walk around Ironforge/Orgrimmar with their rank 14, everyone can get them, skilled, bad skilled, pug players that dont have a clue how pvp works to hardcore pvp'ers anyone can get rank 14 weapons.
Dont think it takes a amazing 1 in a 10.000's to get those weapons.
''His armour?''
Your being serious now?
a little over 4k armor is paper to any decent geard warrior, rogue, or hunter, and well casters burn trough the paper quite fast 😛
'''Have you considered that other people may not share your narrow sense of view'''
Ofcourse I know that there are people that dont share my view, then here we go again, what is it that im not seeing when i say that this way of playing, this choice of gear and this play method (thinking of Retribution here) aint doing any good for , himself, his team mates, and is so horribly bad in about almust every way in wow, and I say its a waste, I give clear points on why that is aswell btw.
Originally posted by The Highlord
you call that ordering?, I gave him/everyone some facts, take it for what you will. and yes sorry sometimes what your doing with your char can infact be a waste of time like playin counter strike and only tryng to knife ppl to death while everyone else will gun you down, or play Age of Empries and only use builders to attack its useless and a waste of time,
That's nothing to do with World of Warcraft, it's like comparing a dog to a moose. World of Warcraft is meant to be different, it's a bloody MMORPG.
Age of Empires, CS? Worker rushes? Where the hell are you pulling this nonsense from? Ridiculous.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Same gose for the retribution paladin tbh its just not as clear always and it can get some things done but yet fails to do the most commnly and the most rewarding stuff, and lets not forget it fails to be fun.
If someone decides that they like to DPS and do some heavy hits better than they do healing and support, what does that have to do with you? Stay the hell out of their business.
Hell, he's PvPed until he's gotten very fine gear and a decent weapon. I'd say that's pretty rewarding.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Giving some facts about how it really works, how much better he'd be of by not choosing that spec, gear, and playstyle, comparing my own exspiriance and how well that works compared to the one hes using now is being rude? doh....
You gave some facts, yes. However, did scorn his type of play multiple times and laughed at the build he got.
Does that seem like "facts" to you now, really? No, it's acting rude.
Also, don't forget that if you provide facts, it's generally bad show to act like they're the Hand of God and should be followed. They're for the consideration of others and if others don't like it, then don't criticize them for it. Your experience is yours and has nothing to do with those of others. WoW treasures individuality.
D'oh.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Well persoanly if someone came and told me that I may be on the wrong side of things and I could do alot better (if i changed on this, and that and the other and so on and so forth) I'd listen to the person, look at all the points I've been givin.
Look at the opposing points that have been given. They're fair consideration as well. You spent a bit of effort trying to convince him, he's refused. Leave it at that.
Originally posted by The Highlord
(I know for a fact that what I've said makes damn good sence since I know im right as far as, effectivness, fun''you also got alot more to do which makes it all more fun with this playstyle'' (you dont want to be 1 bottun only playing, No you dont so stop pretending) and possibilitys gose, holy/protection is the right way and let there be no mistake)
You've provided some fair points, correct, but it has seemed to make no difference in Satsujin's decision to continue with his current playstyle. Maybe if you were slightly more polite, then he may have listened, but seeing the alternative, I certainly don't blame him for choosing not to listen to you.
It's his view of what is "right" that matters. Stop trying to control him.
Originally posted by The Highlord
So first thing, look at it from a positive way, try it out, (OFCOURSE TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN IT!) and not just try it die, oh well this sucks, no it takes alot of time, and you need to look at all the things you acturly need to work on, so you try it out, maybe ask for some advise if needed, if you dont think the spec is better for effectiveness, fun, and dosent have more to offer and whatbe it, tell me why, and then also tell me why retribution is better(yes i want good reasons) (even if i have to prove you wrong again! which I will btw 😛 ).
Hell, if he can crit for 800 on a mildly geared warrior like me then I'd opt to keep him in retribution, as a lot of his team undoubtedly thinks.
Yet again, the other half, thinking like you, assume he's a brainless dimwit who needs to learn how to play his class.
"Prove me wrong", hahahahahahaha!
Anytime someone says that in a debate, no matter what the circumstances, is a very stupid thing to assume. Although I'd say it makes no difference, because, you see; you've already made yourself look like an arrogant snob.
Congratulations, friend, you just dug your own grave.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Well as I said I know the paladin class well, its the only class I've lvl'ed up to 60, so I know his gear and what play method hes using, and since I've infact played the paladin alot I know he lacks stamina and int he has high crit rate tho(and thats all that gear us doing mostly, crit crit crit rate, some 25%-31% i think he had when I looked at the profile
Stamina is a trait that Paladin gear normally has, but not in such a high amount. Normally they don't nearly have the life of a decently geared warrior. Satsujin's life does seem to be below average, but from the way he hits I'd say he was more investing in strength and agility, which is fair. Trade one and buy for another.
Then of course he wouldn't have as much survivability as a normally geared and differently specc'ed Paladin. What the hell would you expect? But he hits the amount for nearly a good warrior does and with the higher crit rate too, and he's still got more survivability than a warrior does. Not a bad trade off, in my opinion.
Originally posted by The Highlord
but with that gear there is little to non spell power anyway so what I see is a auto attack seal/judge of command along with crusader strike (hope for a crit chain) which do happend yes, but how many crits will you get of with roughly 4k health and little to no mana to heal back after doing some ''nuking'' nah not much, so the survivability aint exsacly good, so the gear choice dosent quite make sence tbh.
Don't forget some other offensive skills and passives, Consecration, Blessing of Might, yadda yadda yadda. How many crits, you ask?
What's 30% crit rate then? Jeez. Don't act like he charges in with no backup. He's not that much of a brainless fool.
Originally posted by The Highlord
So? the gear, talent points and play method all speak against him having a 'good idea of how to play his class' and thats fact.
"His gear suggests differently"....does this mean that all PvP gear is essentially useless and makes the wearer look like a moron?
Originally posted by The Highlord
Ok Stop right there, its quite common knowleage that after the 2.0 it dosent take any hard work to get the rank 14 weapons, havint you been seeing the green/blue geard ppl that never really pvp'ed before 2.0 walk around Ironforge/Orgrimmar with their rank 14, everyone can get them, skilled, bad skilled, pug players that dont have a clue how pvp works to hardcore pvp'ers anyone can get rank 14 weapons.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Dont think it takes a amazing 1 in a 10.000's to get those weapons.
Originally posted by The Highlord
''His armour?''
Originally posted by The Highlord
Your being serious now?
Lord, the naivete of some people. Deliver us from evil.
Originally posted by The Highlord
a little over 4k armor is paper to any decent geard warrior, rogue, or hunter, and well casters burn trough the paper quite fast 😛
It's not exactly 'paper' for rogues, their damage gets reduced significantly but their outbound DPS is fast and crits enough to make up for it nonetheless.
Originally posted by The HighlordOfcourse I know that there are people that dont share my view, then here we go again, what is it that im not seeing when i say that this way of playing, this choice of gear and this play method (thinking of Retribution here) aint doing any good for , himself, his team mates, and is so horribly bad in about almust every way in wow, and I say its a waste, I give clear points on why that is aswell btw. [/B]
And yet you keep attempting to press it on them?
Himself - Don't get me started, buddy.
His teammates - They can complain, /leave, or kick him out of their group. Don't try and act on their behalf, they can handle or compensate.
Yes, you have made your points, but they're still not good enough to change his mind. Why persist?
Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
You guys argue too much 😆Anyways, heres the big low down.
Paladins are Gay, Rogues are Awsome=I'm Awsome.
I'm in HWL Gear, I'm Awsome.
The Rumour about the BC Greens at 63-67 being better then 60 epics is FALSE and......
I get the Burning Crusade in 8 Hours Bitchs!
I'l start wit this one.
'''You're one of those people who choose to actually do what other people tell you if they think you're on the wrong side of things. That's all fine and good, but it's still your business only; don't think that other people will do the same thing if you tell them that they're in the wrong.
Look at the opposing points that have been given. They're fair consideration as well. You spent a bit of effort trying to convince him, he's refused. Leave it at that.'''
You got it a bit wrong, if someone would tell me that I wasint doing it right, and that they could provide a method to me so that I could get it right, I'd take my time to listen to that advise, try it out to see it's results then judge from that, ofc if someone comes to me while im makin dinner and says ''hey dont use that tempature cause its wrong'' I dont say oh ok and then do it without quastion , I'd ask why, and what good it would do, I'd get his point of view and the facts, and if it seemed better and more logical, I'd do it yes, you get it?. now thats that.
''''No, it's still a matter of perspective, you only think you're "right".
You've provided some fair points, correct, but it has seemed to make no difference in Satsujin's decision to continue with his current playstyle. Maybe if you were slightly more polite, then he may have listened, but seeing the alternative, I certainly don't blame him for choosing not to listen to you.
It's his view of what is "right" that matters. Stop trying to control him.''''
My points where right on btw, lets take effectiveness first(btw do you even know anything about paladins at all?) im gonna try to define it for you, (we are talking pvp btw) in all pvp games in wow its about playing as a team, there is no 1 v 1 game setup, besdies duels ofc, now the objective is to win the battle, to accomplish that you need to do it as a team, it has proven to be the best way to get the job done, im sure anyone can agree with that.
Now ofc that also means that if every player plays right it should be alot easyer for this objective to be completed.
I said that its more effective by playing the Paladin in more defensive/support role then going 2handing and thickling ppl and makin them laugh on the floor (honestly thats what I've seen from some ppl in the arena...) You care to tell me how I just ''think'' im right there, and that you got some actural results which prove im wrong and that this 2hander works better in most occasions in pvp? cause for the most part im right about this one cause the holy/protection will give enough support for the fight to be won, unlike the 2hander spec which kills slowly compared to any other class costs (SHIIT LOAD OF MANA) and really dosent do anything but ''scrath against the wall'' ok sometimes a bit more then that, but you get the idea.
You see by doing this you are being more effective(by securing a win often) you are better of playing holy/protection if you want actual results in pvp, and I've proven that so damn often. thats that.
Fun.
Ofcourse alot harder to define, but from personal exspiriance and from asking alot of ppl what acturly drives them to play their characters(these are ppl came with good reasons and told me what makes their char intresting) also most ppl tend to think that the game is fun, cause its challaging, it offers alot of possibilitys and so on, this all makes it intresting alot to do and not just a pacman clone with fancy graphics you know.
More things to, and if they give better results, and the whole gameplay of that is alot broader then a diffrent kind, wouldint it be fair to assume its more fun to do? personaly I'd rather have a job that involved alot of things take say a cook, im sure its more fun then marking roads with Termoplast, I happend to have tried both, well maybe a bad exsample, but you get the idea, again more things to do, better effectiveness, it all adds up to being more fun. Now thats that.
''Hell, if he can crit for 800 on a mildly geared warrior like me then I'd opt to keep him in retribution, as a lot of his team undoubtedly thinks.
Yet again, the other half, thinking like you, assume he's a brainless dimwit who needs to learn how to play his class.''
Well there arrent that many reasons to think he would know his full class potentioal, Now let me say it in a simple way.
If I was having a team up and it was recently formed and yeah I hadint seen all of them closly play, and there was a retribution paladin there and he was cutting HEAVILY down on the teams average strenght, I'd ask what it was about, why he was doing it like that, cause it is giving so bad results, its NOT GOOD FOR 99% OF THE TIME IN PVP, that means there is alot of bad with the spec then you wonder, eh is this dude really smart, he seems as a ''brainless dimwit'' tbh as far as his playing gose ofc, nothing personal tho. but tbh i dont quastion if the guy is playing dumb or not anymore I'l automaticly assume they need to l2p their class cause their current build isint benefiting at all, hard to understand my point of view? I think I made it quite clear.
''''''Stamina is a trait that Paladin gear normally has, but not in such a high amount. Normally they don't nearly have the life of a decently geared warrior. Satsujin's life does seem to be below average, but from the way he hits I'd say he was more investing in strength and agility, which is fair. Trade one and buy for another.
Then of course he wouldn't have as much survivability as a normally geared and differently specc'ed Paladin. What the hell would you expect? But he hits the amount for nearly a good warrior does and with the higher crit rate too, and he's still got more survivability than a warrior does. Not a bad trade off, in my opinion.'''''
in auto attacks he may hit for roughly the same yes, but we all know that dosent make the whole picture, warriors got sweeping strikes whirlwind, alot better damage abilitys then a paladin has, and far far far less (mana/rage) well warriors dont run out on their abilitys cost provider.
And yes the str and agility for crit rate is bad bad bad cause if the paladin aint alive he aint do anything, there is alot of crowd control, stuns, sheeps, seduces, yeah you name with so it aint that often that you acturly do get spend your time freely nuking without loosing health.
Then you say this, which I can easily follow up with where I just left of.
''''''Yes, that's true, there wouldn't be any +Spell Power. However, a Paladin wouldn't need spell damage or intellect as much as a pure caster does. Another trade off. He doesn't need a whole wackload of mana.
Don't forget some other offensive skills and passives, Consecration, Blessing of Might, yadda yadda yadda. How many crits, you ask?
What's 30% crit rate then? Jeez. Don't act like he charges in with no backup. He's not that much of a brainless fool.''''''''
Well lets start in the middle of it, Concencration and blessign of might, you have any idea what concencration costs? 505 mana for highest rank rank which dose I think it was around 400-500 dmg I tihnk, i rarely use high rank, only rank 1 for unstealthing rogues mostly.
Now thats mana down the drain considering he has 2400 mana, maybe he dose 2 concencrations thats already 50% mana puuuuf away and target lost 1k health if he even stood in the arena of effect. blessign of might aint exsacly a useable ability that'l hit anyone its like a battleshout you gain ap by it and it lasts for 15 min with greater blessing and 5 min with smaller one not exsacly anything you use in the thick of battle.
And by using these abilitys ending on 30%-40% mana after a little while wont sound to unfamilier oh now comes the heal, '''CANT GET IT OF! pet, fury warrior, druid in cat, rogue, heck anything is on me!!! argh''' oh heal finaly gose of but cause of the bad spell power it wont heal for alot, and if a mortal strike is on him we'l its not gonna do much good, there are several classes with alot better survivability, oh yes he wont run in alone I know that, but he wont contribute very much to the team either, die pretty damn fast if its a somewhat decent group that gose for right targets first.
btw team tends to die alot faster if there are 2h paladins around, and thats pure fact.
then we got
''''''''''''''Absolute nonsense. He's spent quite a bit of time on his character and the simple fact that he thinks he knows what is doing should be enough. It's his opinion. Blizzard's style of playing offers difference choices.
"His gear suggests differently"....does this mean that all PvP gear is essentially useless and makes the wearer look like a moron?''''''''''''
No its not enough. no not all pvp gear is useless, the paladins can get great supportive pvp rewards like the entire rank 12-13 gear gives good mana, it gives healing+ good stamina, thats all good stuff, then there is the +134 healing mace, and the 3k armor shiled, these are good things. warriors dont go around takin the caster staffs and daggers, dosent mean all the pvp stuff is useless dose it? no there are things for them too that benefit them much better.
"More things to, and if they give better results, and the whole gameplay of that is alot broader then a diffrent kind, wouldint it be fair to assume its more fun to do? personaly I'd rather have a job that involved alot of things take say a cook, im sure its more fun then marking roads with Termoplast, I happend to have tried both, well maybe a bad exsample, but you get the idea, again more things to do, better effectiveness, it all adds up to being more fun. Now thats that."
Sorry, that's complete bullshit on a stick. Fun is what each person makes of it. Sats playstyle is fun for him. He's been playing the game for a long while now and I'm sure he's tried other specs, and not surprisingly he didn't think sitting there being a healing priest in plate with a shitty one hander is fun. He thinks that hitting shit with a big ****ing sword, while still having the ability to bubble and heal up completely IS. It's that simple. He's playing the way that is fun for him, that is factually all that matters, since he's the one paying for his time to play.
If you want to tell people how they should play then, again, pay for their monthly subscription, until then just worry about your character and stop actively making the game less fun for others by trying to impose your will on their characters.
Originally posted by The Highlord
You got it a bit wrong, if someone would tell me that I wasint doing it right, and that they could provide a method to me so that I could get it right, I'd take my time to listen to that advise, try it out to see it's results then judge from that, ofc if someone comes to me while im makin dinner and says ''hey dont use that tempature cause its wrong'' I dont say oh ok and then do it without quastion , I'd ask why, and what good it would do, I'd get his point of view and the facts, and if it seemed better and more logical, I'd do it yes, you get it?. now thats that.
You're comparing a real life situation, where there actually is right/wrong way to do things, with a MMORPG? Seriously, what's the point in that? Satsujin has made his opinion clear to you as well and you should have taken it, not ride him ragged for being what he is. Burning something with a stove is wrong, but picking one of three builds for a Paladin? Absolutely not. Maybe in a raid or an instance group it would matter what his role was, but as an individual and a PvPer, absolutely not.
Originally posted by The Highlord
My points where right on btw, lets take effectiveness first(btw do you even know anything about paladins at all?) im gonna try to define it for you, (we are talking pvp btw) in all pvp games in wow its about playing as a team, there is no 1 v 1 game setup, besdies duels ofc, now the objective is to win the battle, to accomplish that you need to do it as a team, it has proven to be the best way to get the job done, im sure anyone can agree with that.
I've never levelled a Paladin to 60, if that's what you mean. Why, you going to fish a "I know better than you, you know nothing, STFU nub" comment out of your pocket to throw at me?
Your opinion about what Paladins should do in PvP, raiding, PvE is but one of many. If it's considered and set aside, don't whine about it and keep pressing the issue.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Now ofc that also means that if every player plays right it should be alot easyer for this objective to be completed.
Originally posted by The Highlord
I said that its more effective by playing the Paladin in more defensive/support role then going 2handing and thickling ppl and makin them laugh on the floor (honestly thats what I've seen from some ppl in the arena...) You care to tell me how I just ''think'' im right there, and that you got some actural results which prove im wrong and that this 2hander works better in most occasions in pvp?
Can a Paladin shield others at will?
Can a Paladin run and quick AoE fear?
I'd personally stick with a priest, despite Paladin's good support capability.
Originally posted by The Highlord
cause for the most part im right about this one cause the holy/protection will give enough support for the fight to be won, unlike the 2hander spec which kills slowly compared to any other class costs (SHIIT LOAD OF MANA) and really dosent do anything but ''scrath against the wall'' ok sometimes a bit more then that, but you get the idea.
A two hander spec that kills slowly, hah! Good one. Really.
If there's a good healer in the group, then it won't really matter, will it, if he decides to go the two hander spec? You seem to me as if thinking that the Paladin is the only one on the Alliance side who seem willing to act on behalf of the rest of his team.
Truthfully? In my experience, out of every single BG I've played since 2.0, I have yet to see a single Paladin actively take a support role.
Originally posted by The Highlord
You see by doing this you are being more effective(by securing a win often) you are better of playing holy/protection if you want actual results in pvp, and I've proven that so damn often. thats that.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Ofcourse alot harder to define, but from personal exspiriance and from asking alot of ppl what acturly drives them to play their characters(these are ppl came with good reasons and told me what makes their char intresting) also most ppl tend to think that the game is fun, cause its challaging, it offers alot of possibilitys and so on, this all makes it intresting alot to do and not just a pacman clone with fancy graphics you know.
Stop pulling nonsense out of mid air and pretending that it's justified.
Originally posted by The Highlord
More things to, and if they give better results, and the whole gameplay of that is alot broader then a diffrent kind, wouldint it be fair to assume its more fun to do? personaly I'd rather have a job that involved alot of things take say a cook, im sure its more fun then marking roads with Termoplast, I happend to have tried both, well maybe a bad exsample, but you get the idea, again more things to do, better effectiveness, it all adds up to being more fun. Now thats that.
All those things are not greatly affected by his actual build, so long as he doesn't piss his raid or group off. There's always someone better for the role. In PvP, no one can really tell him what to do. You have to take things into perspective; perhaps someone might not like healing and being a lapdog of everyone else. Personally I don't like that kind of play You like that kind of play, fine. That's your style, no one's telling you any different. In PvP or raids it won't make a boatload of difference, I'll tell you that much.
What's really annoying though, is that you seem to think that your play style is the only one that's available and the only one that should be used. This is very far from the truth.
Retribution is Satsujin's play style. No one, except you, are telling him any different. Learn to respect his choice.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Well there arrent that many reasons to think he would know his full class potentioal, Now let me say it in a simple way.
See, dealing shitloads of damage with crits and healing/support are two different styles of play. If he doesn't like one, he'll stick with the other whether or not he knows that it's more effective.
Their full potential is to heal and keep a group up. Some people will go "Yay.", some will say the same, except with a question mark. Their lookout. Not yours. Keep your nose out of other people's business.
Originally posted by The Highlord
If I was having a team up and it was recently formed and yeah I hadint seen all of them closly play, and there was a retribution paladin there and he was cutting HEAVILY down on the teams average strenght, I'd ask what it was about, why he was doing it like that, cause it is giving so bad results, its NOT GOOD FOR 99% OF THE TIME IN PVP,
Players, in PvP, can't always rely on others to keep them up. It's the same thing for the potential healers in PvP, it's their decision to heal or to DPS, whatever their class or build suggests.
By circumstance or not, I find that it's the Alliance side mostly, complaining about healers that don't heal. It'd be probably a good idea to stop relying on others so much when in a big melee fight in AV.
Originally posted by The Highlord
that means there is alot of bad with the spec then you wonder, eh is this dude really smart, he seems as a ''brainless dimwit'' tbh as far as his playing gose ofc, nothing personal tho. but tbh i dont quastion if the guy is playing dumb or not anymore I'l automaticly assume they need to l2p their class cause their current build isint benefiting at all, hard to understand my point of view? I think I made it quite clear.
Why do you assume that the only thing Paladins are meant for in PvP was support?
Why do you think that massive damage is completely worthless?
Why do you value minor heals and support over excellent melee, which would take the enemy down faster?
What is so special about Paladins that make people like you so dependent on them to keep you alive, rather than a priest?
How do you have your ego swollen to the point where I'm astounded it hasn't exploded yet and yet manage to tell other people off where it should be their own business?
Originally posted by The Highlord
in auto attacks he may hit for roughly the same yes, but we all know that dosent make the whole picture, warriors got sweeping strikes whirlwind, alot better damage abilitys then a paladin has, and far far far less (mana/rage) well warriors dont run out on their abilitys cost provider.
Originally posted by The Highlord
And yes the str and agility for crit rate is bad bad bad cause if the paladin aint alive he aint do anything, there is alot of crowd control, stuns, sheeps, seduces, yeah you name with so it aint that often that you acturly do get spend your time freely nuking without loosing health.
Of course there are a lot of good things to be had with high agility and strength. His crit rate borders upon that of a decently geared rogue, and you smell fault in that.
I smell something. Bull****.
(I'm currently in AB and some Paladin just smacked me for 1014. That tell you anything?)
It wouldn't really make a difference what build he chooses retribution or holy spec if he gets stunned or seduced. As a rule of thumb, if you get rogue stunned or seduced then your chances of winning the one on one fight have dropped to about 25% anyways.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Well lets start in the middle of it, Concencration and blessign of might, you have any idea what concencration costs? 505 mana for highest rank rank which dose I think it was around 400-500 dmg I tihnk, i rarely use high rank, only rank 1 for unstealthing rogues mostly.
Originally posted by The Highlord
Now thats mana down the drain considering he has 2400 mana, maybe he dose 2 concencrations thats already 50% mana puuuuf away and target lost 1k health if he even stood in the arena of effect. blessign of might aint exsacly a useable ability that'l hit anyone its like a battleshout you gain ap by it and it lasts for 15 min with greater blessing and 5 min with smaller one not exsacly anything you use in the thick of battle.
Not a bad mana investment there, I'd say.
Originally posted by The Highlord
And by using these abilitys ending on 30%-40% mana after a little while wont sound to unfamilier oh now comes the heal, '''CANT GET IT OF! pet, fury warrior, druid in cat, rogue, heck anything is on me!!! argh''' oh heal finaly gose of but cause of the bad spell power it wont heal for alot, and if a mortal strike is on him we'l its not gonna do much good, there are several classes with alot better survivability, oh yes he wont run in alone I know that, but he wont contribute very much to the team either, die pretty damn fast if its a somewhat decent group that gose for right targets first.
One person dies, oh no it's the end of the world!
(Still in the same AB, and took on some Paladin with Hakkar's 2H ZG sword. Guess who won?)
Hardly. 30 second Spirit Rez, pop back up and into the fight. The team will not fail because of one person.
Originally posted by The Highlord
btw team tends to die alot faster if there are 2h paladins around, and thats pure fact.
Originally posted by The Highlord
No its not enough. no not all pvp gear is useless, the paladins can get great supportive pvp rewards like the entire rank 12-13 gear gives good mana, it gives healing+ good stamina, thats all good stuff, then there is the +134 healing mace, and the 3k armor shiled, these are good things. warriors dont go around takin the caster staffs and daggers, dosent mean all the pvp stuff is useless dose it? no there are things for them too that benefit them much better.
this site is informative about the languages
http://projectazeroth.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
unfortunately it works in gibberish... so if you wanted to type back to horde or vice versa, you'd have to do wierd stuff like "s s s d d p" and it would actually type out something readable on the other side
kek = lol
and I think gesh = help
I hear those two quite often
I dont hear alot of [Common] or whatever the alliance main language is.. and gutterspeak just sounds wierd..
"kekeke" IRL is how elite korean gamers are thought to giggle.. (the elitists of battle.net), so they made it the orcish "lol"
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
I would probably recommend something involving mana..although I'm sure they make good rogues (if they can be one)...
not sure if they have enough stamina to make a good warlock... but anything can be solved with gear.. so its probably best to pick a class that interests you personally
i was thinking warlock or mage
is anyone else really really excited for TBC expansion tommorow?