Originally posted by ska57
The Bible is my guide in life, I am by nature sinful and my ways are not God's ways. I believe the Bible without question because it is truth.
OK right there, what did he say?
Believe the Bible WITHOUT QUESTION .
biiiiiiiiiiiig problem there, I don't accept ANYTHING without question.
that means your officially been brainwashed, congrats! 🙂
Originally posted by Darth Revan
^this is one of the things I hate about Christianity, how they tell people that they are "sinful" when they haven't done a damn thing to hurt anybody.To make yet another Maynard reference...
"It's not like you killed someone
Not like you drove a hateful spear into his side"
We all lie, cheat, lust, hate, covet, and other sinful acts every day. Do you think I never lied and it hurt someone else's feelings? Do you think I never stole something from someone that mattered to them? Do you think that I never hated someone so much that I physically hurt them? Then you see that you need God in your life, and everything changes!
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
OK right there, what did he say?Believe the Bible [b] WITHOUT QUESTION
.biiiiiiiiiiiig problem there, I don't accept ANYTHING without question.
that means your officially been brainwashed, congrats! 🙂 [/B]
You have been brainwashed by Satan and his angels that God's word is not truth.
satan has angels??
Didn't know that?
OK answer this question.
Why are you right? Why do you believe in the real god? Why does yours exist and evey other religion's god not?
Untill you answer that, I'm not responding directly to you, but I WILL make fun of your beliefs more though.
Oh one more thing, saying because the bible said so and because I believe in it doesn't count, becasue that can be said about people of different religions too.
Originally posted by ska57
We all lie, cheat, lust, hate, covet, and other sinful acts every day. Do you think I never lied and it hurt someone else's feelings? Do you think I never stole something from someone that mattered to them? Do you think that I never hated someone so much that I physically hurt them? Then you see that you need God in your life, and everything changes!
I don't need any god to give me forgiveness so that I feel closure... I can go apologize to the person myself, and hopefully they will be kind enough to accept my apology.
For the record, I have never stolen anything except maybe a pencil or a pen. I lie on occasion, but I feel terrible if I know that it has affected somebody else in a negative way, and I apologize when I can. (usually when I lie it is to protect a person, not meant in a malicious or harmful way at all). I have hurt people physically on occasion, but almost every time it was not out of "hate" for the person, it was only on a spur-of-the-moment type of thing. Perhaps you need your religion as an excuse to not do these things? Seeing how it looks like I've done far less of them than you?
And you still haven't answered my question about whether or not you know the history of the Bible.
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
satan has angels??
Didn't know that?OK answer this question.
Why are you right? Why do you believe in the real god? Why does yours exist and evey other religion's god not?Untill you answer that, I'm not responding directly to you, but I WILL make fun of your beliefs more though.
Oh one more thing, saying because the bible said so and because I believe in it doesn't count, becasue that can be said about people of different religions too.
To answer your first question, yes. Satan has angels. He started a war in heaven because he wanted to be like God and he decieved a third of the angels but the archangel Michael and his angels fought them out of heaven.
To answer your second question, I'M NOT RIGHT, it is God and his word that are right, I would say because the Bible is un-like any other book, that God created the universe and that there is evidence to support it, but you guys don't believe that.
If you make fun of my beliefs, go ahead. You are just full filling the Bible's propheis of mockers and scoffers at God's word and his followers.
Your last question is just like the second question.
"that God created the universe and that there is evidence to support it, but you guys don't believe that."
WHERE THE FCUK IS THE EVIDENCE!!!!!!??????
Show it to me, and it better not be any bible crap, that's not proof. We've already decided that the bible is not a valid source. Find a good source, or be like The Force and flee.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
I don't need any god to give me forgiveness so that I feel closure... I can go apologize to the person myself, and hopefully they will be kind enough to accept my apology.For the record, I have never stolen anything except maybe a pencil or a pen. I lie on occasion, but I feel terrible if I know that it has affected somebody else in a negative way, and I apologize when I can. (usually when I lie it is to protect a person, not meant in a malicious or harmful way at all). I have hurt people physically on occasion, but almost every time it was not out of "hate" for the person, it was only on a spur-of-the-moment type of thing. Perhaps you need your religion as an excuse to not do these things? Seeing how it looks like I've done far less of them than you?
And you still haven't answered my question about whether or not you know the history of the Bible.
"I don't need any god to give me forgiveness so that I feel closure... I can go apologize to the person myself, and hopefully they will be kind enough to accept my apology."
Yes, that is the right thing to do, but you have sinned never-the-less, and God demands perfection, which we humans are never capable of accomplishing (spelling?). That's why he sent Jesus, the only perfect person, to die on the cross for us so that we might have forgiveness through His grace and His grace only.
"For the record, I have never stolen anything except maybe a pencil or a pen. I lie on occasion, but I feel terrible if I know that it has affected somebody else in a negative way, and I apologize when I can. (usually when I lie it is to protect a person, not meant in a malicious or harmful way at all). I have hurt people physically on occasion, but almost every time it was not out of "hate" for the person, it was only on a spur-of-the-moment type of thing."
If you covet something that is just the same to God as doing it physically. If you ever hated someone, you have killed them in your heart. If you ever looked at a woman lustfully, you have commited adultrey with her in your heart.
"Perhaps you need your religion as an excuse to not do these things?"
What do you mean? That lying, cheating, raping, stealing needs an excuse why you shouldn't do that?
"Seeing how it looks like I've done far less of them than you?"
If one person breaks one commandment, he has broken them all. Why? Because doing just one sin falls short of God's demand for perfection.
"And you still haven't answered my question about whether or not you know the history of the Bible."
Sorry if I don't answer all of your questions, there's a lot! I know this history of the Bible, God created the universe, Adam & Eve, then Noah, Moses, then the Israelites got to the Promised Land....
Originally posted by ska57
To answer your first question, yes. Satan has angels. He started a war in heaven because he wanted to be like God and he decieved a third of the angels but the archangel Michael and his angels fought them out of heaven.
This is interesting. I remember looking this up some while back. Lucifer wanted to be like God, but God was SO jealous that he cast him out of heaven. Not the kind of god I'd wanna worship. What if I want to be like him...oh wait, the Bible itself tells us to be just like him! The Bible tells us to be just like Jesus, who IS God in human form. Oh, this means we're all royally ****ed now. We are supposed to be like him, but he'll get jealous when we do, and if we don't obey, we go to hell! Isn't that lovely?
Originally posted by ska57
"I don't need any god to give me forgiveness so that I feel closure... I can go apologize to the person myself, and hopefully they will be kind enough to accept my apology."
Yes, that is the right thing to do, but you have sinned never-the-less, and God demands perfection, which we humans are never capable of accomplishing (spelling?). That's why he sent Jesus, the only perfect person, to die on the cross for us so that we might have forgiveness through His grace and His grace only."For the record, I have never stolen anything except maybe a pencil or a pen. I lie on occasion, but I feel terrible if I know that it has affected somebody else in a negative way, and I apologize when I can. (usually when I lie it is to protect a person, not meant in a malicious or harmful way at all). I have hurt people physically on occasion, but almost every time it was not out of "hate" for the person, it was only on a spur-of-the-moment type of thing."
If you covet something that is just the same to God as doing it physically. If you ever hated someone, you have killed them in your heart. If you ever looked at a woman lustfully, you have commited adultrey with her in your heart."Perhaps you need your religion as an excuse to not do these things?"
What do you mean? That lying, cheating, raping, stealing needs an excuse why you shouldn't do that?"Seeing how it looks like I've done far less of them than you?"
If one person breaks one commandment, he has broken them all. Why? Because doing just one sin falls short of God's demand for perfection.
Which is what I hate about Christianity, again. I don't necessarily believe in a god, but if there IS a god, I can't imagine that he/she/it would be anything like how he is portrayed in your religion. They say he's "forgiving", well I'm a forgiving person, and I don't expect people to be perfect, nor do I care if they aren't. If god cared THAT MUCH that we were perfect, he would have created us that way. And also, I can't imagine a kind, loving god that would be so incredibly pissed when we refused to believe in him, even though he had, in all his glory, failed to create a single ounce of infallible evidence that pointed to his existence.
AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE! I'm sorry for doing that, but you really are being thick-headed here!
You guys are arguing against a kid in High School, I don't have all the answers, I'm sorry. I'm not the most informed person on this subject and just because I believe in it doesn't mean I know every little thing about it. I'm no scholar, pastor, Sunday school teacher, or anything like that. But maybe you can e-mail Dr. Hovind and ask him or even call him. http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/contact/index.jsp
I have showed you guys all the evidence I know. Go back into the last ten pages or so and find a long list that I posted. If that and all the verses I shared are not enough, then you are asking the wrong guy, but I will try to answer.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
This is interesting. I remember looking this up some while back. Lucifer wanted to be like God, but God was SO jealous that he cast him out of heaven. Not the kind of god I'd wanna worship. What if I want to be like him...oh wait, the Bible itself tells us to be just like him! The Bible tells us to be just like Jesus, who IS God in human form. Oh, this means we're all royally ****ed now. We are supposed to be like him, but he'll get jealous when we do, and if we don't obey, we go to hell! Isn't that lovely?
Catch-22, Catch-22. Damned if u do, damn if u don't, lol
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Which is what I hate about Christianity, again. I don't necessarily believe in a god, but if there IS a god, I can't imagine that he/she/it would be anything like how he is portrayed in your religion. They say he's "forgiving", well I'm a forgiving person, and I don't expect people to be perfect, nor do I care if they aren't. If god cared THAT MUCH that we were perfect, he would have created us that way. And also, I can't imagine a kind, loving god that would be so incredibly pissed when we refused to believe in him, even though he had, in all his glory, failed to create a single ounce of infallible evidence that pointed to his existence.AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE! I'm sorry for doing that, but you really are being thick-headed here!
God did create us perfect without sin, then Satan decieved us and we were stepped into sin ever since.
"And also, I can't imagine a kind, loving god that would be so incredibly pissed when we refused to believe in him, even though he had, in all his glory, failed to create a single ounce of infallible evidence that pointed to his existence."
God is loving, God IS love, but He is perfect. And to be with Him, we need to be perfect as well. Proof that He loves us is that He sent Jesus to die for all of us. He has created infallible evidence that points to His existance, the universe, but you will not see that, nor will you ever.
"AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE! I'm sorry for doing that, but you really are being thick-headed here!"
I don't even know what you are talking about, I told you that I did in my second-to-last post I made.
Why do people assume Satan is a bad guy? Damn man.
Look, I'll quote Bill Hicks:
"People say you've been brainwashed by Satan if you do certain things or question certain things. For example, listening to Rock music. The Devil's music they say. Well let's suppose that we KNOW for sure that it is the music of Satan, that is it IS the Devil's music, for sure. At least he ****ing jams. The message is this: Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinate love. Nice choices oh forgiving lord. If it's a choice between eternal Hell and good music or eternal Heaven and New Kids On The ****ing Block, I'll WILLINGLY surf the lake of fire and rock out."
Wouldn't it be funny if Satan actually turned out to be the good guy? Ever think about that? What if you wasted your entire life not having fun or indulging yourself coz it was "God's word" to not do so, then when you die and go there he says:
"Hahahaha. Now you have an eternity of no fun awaiting you. You followed me so relentlessly and blindly that you never questioned if it was right or wrong for you. Alpha Centauri is downstairs with the horned one, listening to Nine Inch Nails and discussing subjects labelled as sins, having fun. While you and your endless love for me Ska, are stuck here. Welcome to Hell."
-AC