evolution

Originally posted by Paxelius
Agent Elrond: These flood-stories seems to have occured all around the earth as we find fragments and stories of them in every continent. There has been floods, no doubt, but to take the story of Noah literally and think it's the only one and correct story, that's a little foolish.

some people, like some here do take the bible literally. some people do believe that world was made in 6 days. Science found a fault in Noah's story, science has found other faults in the bible.

And are we not men? 🪩

Originally posted by ska57
"But if we were perfect, Satan wouldn't logically be able to get through to us..."
Satan didn't get inside us and made us sin, he tempted us, and we failed. He told Eve to take the apple, Eve responded not sinfully by saying that God told them not to and that she won't. But then Satan said didn't He also say that your eyes would be open and that you would know the difference between good and evil? So she did and disobeyed God, we fell short of perfection.

"If he was loving, he would love us truly unconditionally, which is what he theoretically does. And yet he has a set of rules for us, and if we **** things up, he casts us into hell."
God is loving and does love us unconditionally that's why He sent Jesus to die for us when we didn't deserve one bit of it. He has a set of rules for us because we are all sinful and we disobey God. So God has given us rules to follow that we don't and cannot follow to point out our sin to us so that we may come to realize that and ask for forgiveness. The whole point of the Old Testament Law was to show us that we are sinful and cannot keep anyone of the rules, not one. If we go through life without acknowledging that we sinned to God and don't ask for forgiveness, then we go to Hell.

"Err.... No, I don't believe you have answered the question I was talking about: do you actually know the history of the Bible?"
Now I see what you are saying, the history of the church and not the actual history found in the Bible itself. Okay, there were 12 books not included in the Bible after the first one was published in about 400 A.D. Those books are called the Apocrypha books. The reason why they are not included is because 32% of the New Testament are quotes directly from every book of the Old Testament, but the Apocrypha books were never even mentioned. The Apocrypha books were never realized as part of the Old Testament Scriptures by the Jewish priests either.

Unconditional love is not "I will love you no matter what... if you follow a certain religion." It is rather, "I will love you no matter what you do, no matter what you believe in, no questions asked. I will not punish you for not following my every command."

And about the history of the Bible... You obviously don't know the most relevant part, which is that not only were more than 12 books left out, but the 80+ books around at the time of Christ's death were so varying, you could read one and then another and not realize they were talking about the same thing. They only started to agree with each other after they had been thoroughly combed over by various members of the Roman government. And that it was the Roman senate who actually decided Christ was the son of god. It is debatable whether Jesus himself ever even claimed that, it is even debatable whether or not he actually existed. (there are no references to him in any historical documents outside the Bible and the omitted books)

Paxelius> “but it's too much to read and really not my cup of tea.”
Why – because it answers your question?

If you’re too lazy to read an answer to a question you have posted here, I don’t see ANY reason to spend more to talking to you.

DArth> Not to mention... It's debateable if Jesus ever existed. There is NO evidence to support he did.

I think that a person's religious beliefs are their own business... unfortunately with Britain set to become a dystopian state I doubt my own mind 🙁

Originally posted by The Omega
Paxelius> Why shouldn’t I dismiss the Bible? It’s an old outdated book, translated, re-translated, changed and edited by various church officials to fit their needs and filled to the covers with wrong translations (Such as how a Babylonian King was transformed into Lucifer). A text saying bigamy, incest and infanticide is JUST okay?

Go ahead dismiss it then, but I find all things of old interesting.

Intriguing story? Well, so are the old Roman and Greek stories of their Gods, Norse mythology and Hindi mythology – you believe in those intriguing stories as well?

Ofcourse I belive that old myths have historical value, I'm aware that it's only fragments and modifications that has reached us through the ages but that has nontheless much important to tell us about ourselves and our world.

"I have dedicated my life to helping people learn the truth needed to expose evolutionism as being largely responsible for molding the thinking of hosts of people like Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot of the Khmer in Cambodia, Margaret Sanger, and Karl Marx, who have caused untold suffering in our world. Evolution as it is being taught is dangerous for several reasons."

This was said by Hovind, from the CSE. It's horrifing that this jackass dare blame evolution for ppl like Hitler. It's sick. I have NO respect for this guuy. None. Anything he says is pure bullshit.

Originally posted by The Omega
Paxelius> “but it's too much to read and really not my cup of tea.”
Why – because it answers your question?

If you’re too lazy to read an answer to a question you have posted here, I don’t see ANY reason to spend more to talking to you.

No, browsed through the text and came to the conclusion that this just doesn't prove anything. If I'm lazy because I just doesn't want to waste my time with this rubbish then I call you lazy because you pointed me to a link instead of giving me some of your own articulated words.

And please, go ahead and be like the chrisitian fundamentalist and blow me off because I don't see it your way.

AE> 😆
Who said that BS? Who-ever said that should probably check into a clinic and get help for his paranoia!
Besides, Howing lies and cheats. Why take him serious: His arguments are UTTERLY flawed.
"Evil persons A, B and C lived after person D wrote a book. Therefore person D is responsible for the acts of evil persons A, B and C"

Should we use this logic, I'll blame the those who wrote Bible for ALL bad people who've lived after the year 900!

the adverb is 'seriously'

Originally posted by The Omega
AE> 😆
Who said that BS? Who-ever said that should probably check into a clinic and get help for his paranoia!
Besides, Howing lies and cheats. Why take him serious: His arguments are UTTERLY flawed.
"Evil persons A, B and C lived after person D wrote a book. Therefore person D is responsible for the acts of evil persons A, B and C"

Should we use this logic, I'll blame the those who wrote Bible for ALL bad people who've lived after the year 900!

Hovind, that creationist dude u mentioed earlier. He's sick, and by sick I mean cold-hearted, not mentally insane. There's no excuse for that.

From the Song Valhalla by Blind Guardian:
So many centuries, so many gods
We were the prisoners of our own fantasy
But now we are marching against these gods

AE> Nope, it was Ska who brought Howind into the debate.
I just checked him out. When those Creationists bring in their "dr" or "professors" it's always fun to do a little research.
The Creationist "dr"s and "professors" always turn out to have no degrees, and to lie and to cheat 🙂

The Bible in itself is really a good book, it's the twisted minds of people that came later that misused it for their own savage faith. Modern science has it's flaws too - We constanly have to rearrange our concepts of the world.

hey Omega, u wanna be ruch? This guy is offering 250k US bucks for proof of evolution. Any 8th grade with a bio textbook can cite proof.
http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/250k/index.jsp

There's the details.

perhaps I want to be ruch too 🪩

AE> He can't, he's bankrupt http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind-decision.html 😄

he has a "friend" with the money and a panel of "experts"

more proof that Novind is an idiot

This godless theory resulted in the rise of such philosophies as communism, humanism, and Nazism. The acceptance of the gap theory opened the floodgates for these ideologies, which have caused untold suffering as well as hundreds of millions of deaths in the last two centuries.

The theory is the "Gap Theory" in which the church saw that a young earth was impossible and so insert 4.4 billion gap in the bible to correct it.

Originally posted by The Omega
DArth> Not to mention... It's debateable if Jesus ever existed. There is NO evidence to support he did.

Yeah, I said that 😉