Jla vs X-men

Thats if the X Men gets that far, after taking out Supes and Flash, The Man Hunter, could just easly take controll of the speeders back to the JL side, X and who ever will be fighing over who controls Supes/Flash, If they get that far, I think JL wins.

Originally posted by Lenord
He is much more stronger, faster, and has the super hearing and the eye beam....

Flash is tooo fast for them... after all he has been known to reach almost light speed. If anyone can take him it has to be the psychics and they have to take him out fast, anyone else he will see coming and go into super speed.

You do know that Wonder Woman is very powerful don't you... I don't think any of those people can take her (she is ment to be the daughter of a goddess after all). As I said before Flash is too fast for these lot to take care of. He could probably run fast and take Cyclops visor before he knew what was happening (taking him out of the match). Are you also aware of the fact that the Martian is also a psychic, with shapeshifting ability and is also very strong (his real weakness is fire and with Cyclops out of the contest there is not much that these lineup can do to him). Also you have completely forgotten about Batman, which can come back to hunt you (God knows it has been the downfall of a number of villans).

If they fought your way they would loose in the end. The first thing you should have done was deal with the speeders (Flash/Superman) because the X-Men don't really have people that can match their speed. So the psychics should take care of them first or they will be finished as soon as the Martian relises that there are psychics among the X-Men he will send a telephatic message to the Flash and Superman about them and they will be out before they know it.

Then you deal with the big hitters (GL, Wonder Woman and the Martian). For the Martian you should send any fire power Mutant (I think Cyclops should do fine), while you send two or three powerful X-Men against GL and Wonder Woman with maybe a bit of help from the psychicly controlled Superman/Flash. But you must never forget about Batman and should send three or four X-Men after him at the biggining of the fight (probably Beast, Nightcrawler and Archangle).

I think you people greatly underestimate the x-mens abilities. How can you seriously compare the flash's superspeed to the x-men? Superman is not as fast as you make him out to be. Phoenix,and rogue are extremly fast and agile, the phoenix is staggeringly much faster than superman, she not only uses her speed of flight, but combines it with her psychic ability to nearly teleport. The flash is fast indeed, but that is not going to help that much when fighting agaisnt the team of the x-men, maybe in a one on one match. If he did indeed take of cyclops visor...well i mean do you know how powerfull cyclops optic blast can be when uncontrolled? If flash ran into a blast of that, he would be nearly vaporized.

I diddnt forget about martians telepathy, it just isnt comparible to the telepaths on the x-men's team. as to wonder woman, yeah she is strong, but teamed up against colloses, Wolverine, iceman, beast, archangel rogue storm and nightcrawler, with only flash, aquaman, and martian on her side, well that strength is overshadowed by superior skills.strength and her pussy wonder laso is all she offers.these skills against a list that is four pages long, which includes her abilities isnt very impressive. superman is a threat to the physically talented x-men, but no match for the x-mens telepaths.Green lantern is more of a threat than superman to the x-men. I am not even going to go on, this hypothetical question is abundantly one sided, assuming we get to use which era of the x-men we want. If you used modern x-men team, then i would go with the JLA, but the team i suggest, which isnt even all of the members from that time, well then there is no argument that the x-men rein victorius.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
I think you people greatly underestimate the x-mens abilities. How can you seriously compare the flash's superspeed to the x-men? Superman is not as fast as you make him out to be. Phoenix,and rogue are extremly fast and agile, the phoenix is staggeringly much faster than superman, she not only uses her speed of flight, but combines it with her psychic ability to nearly teleport. The flash is fast indeed, but that is not going to help that much when fighting agaisnt the team of the x-men, maybe in a one on one match. If he did indeed take of cyclops visor...well i mean do you know how powerfull cyclops optic blast can be when uncontrolled? If flash ran into a blast of that, he would be nearly vaporized.

Look get your facts straight...

1) Flash is very, very fast (we are talking near light speed fast here) and when he starts going there is no X-Men that can touch him (unless it is one of the psychics).

2) Superman is indeed very fast, do you remeber the phrase "faster than a speeding bullet". He might not be as fast as Flash, but he is still very fast, and certinly much faster than phoenix and rogue.

3) I somehow doubt that Flash is going to remove Cyclops visor and then run infront of his beam, besides as soon as Cyclops relises that he has lost his visor he is going to close his eyes and cower in a corner...

Originally posted by ragesRemorse

I diddnt forget about martians telepathy, it just isnt comparible to the telepaths on the x-men's team. as to wonder woman, yeah she is strong, but teamed up against colloses, Wolverine, iceman, beast, archangel rogue storm and nightcrawler, with only flash, aquaman, and martian on her side, well that strength is overshadowed by superior skills.strength and her pussy wonder laso is all she offers.these skills against a list that is four pages long, which includes her abilities isnt very impressive. superman is a threat to the physically talented x-men, but no match for the x-mens telepaths.Green lantern is more of a threat than superman to the x-men. I am not even going to go on, this hypothetical question is abundantly one sided, assuming we get to use which era of the x-men we want. If you used modern x-men team, then i would go with the JLA, but the team i suggest, which isnt even all of the members from that time, well then there is no argument that the x-men rein victorius.

1) In your previous post there was no mention of Rogue in the fight, you just sneaked her in now.....

2) Flash can take out Iceman, Beast and Nightcrawler before they know what hit them, while Wonder Woman takes on Storm and Archangel and Martian takes on Rouge. That leaves Wolverine and Collosus which can fight Aquaman, it is a loosing battle for Aquaman but he will buy enough time for Flash and Batman (who you forgot about again 😐 ) to deal with the psychics. Batman could probably sneak up on Prof X while he is being metally shielded by the Martian from detection and the Prof is busy dealing with Superman and GL. While Batman takes out X, Flash could take out one of the other psychics which would put a lot of strain on the other remaining psychics becasue now they have to deal with Superman/Flash/GL/Batman.....

3) As I have said before you have to deal with the speeders first or you will end up loosing the match (you can't afford to ignore people who can take out 3 of your men before you know it)

This fight is not one sided.... the X-Men could win, they just have to be aware of the JLA's power and realise that they can't fight them toe to toe. They have to use their one strength over the JLA (thier psychics) and make sure they take out the most dangerous members of the group quickly and decisively.

Did someone say Quicksilver could catch Flash earlier? BULLSH*T!! Quicksilver's nowhere near Flash's level of speed. Even though the High Evolutionary fully awakened Quicksilver's power, he still has a long way to go before he can catch up to Flash (no pun intended). You're talking about someone who can run at, or past, light speed, and can even time travel. It would be hard for even the psychics to catch him while going so fast. And don't forget that just running around ain't the only thing he can do, he can throw punches and kicks as fast aas he runs, and a lot whole lot harder. I'm bet he could lay Superman out with a punch if he wanted. And he can throw things just as fast too, making a bullet out of a pebble. Flash alone would be the hardest thing for the X-Men to deal with, and right behind him (no pun intended, again), are Superman, Martian Manhunter (who's a psychic also, yes he's in Xavier's league, and in the same league of strength as Superman), Green Lantern (make it Hal Jordan and you make it that much harder), and Wonder Woman (who I have to admit, has become pretty bad ass over the years, nothing like she used to be). And I honestly don't see how Beast, Archangel, Nightcrawler, or Wolverine even compare to that group alone. Maybe they can give Batman a hard time, I wouldn't be surprised if Batman found a way, it wouldn't be easy though. And if he fails, he still has the rest of the team to back him up. And Collosus and WW, I can't say really. Wonder Woman's been said to be in Superman's league of strength, not as strong of course, but pretty close to it. And for Martian Manhunter's weakness, it's actually a fear of fire that his entire race has, and even if that was wrong, Cyclop's Optic Blast is not fire, so I don't know what made people think that. I'm sure the X-Men can give a good fight, but they just wouldn't last against all that firepower. (And I am an X-Men fan by the way, but I know when my team is beat.)

Now make this the Avengers, and you'll have a much more evened out battle.

Personally i think the Jla and especially Flash are over powered!!! Yes the X-men would fall in a battle against the JLA. But TRON (you my boy) I seriuosly think that proffesor X is above Martian Manhunter's telepathy and such. I'm just saying the Prof. has demonstrted amazing feats as i'm sure J'onn has also but me thinks X got him on dis one !

Originally posted by Tron
Did someone say Quicksilver could catch Flash earlier? BULLSH*T!! Quicksilver's nowhere near Flash's level of speed. Even though the High Evolutionary fully awakened Quicksilver's power, he still has a long way to go before he can catch up to Flash (no pun intended). You're talking about someone who can run at, or past, light speed, and can even time travel. It would be hard for even the psychics to catch him while going so fast. And don't forget that just running around ain't the only thing he can do, he can throw punches and kicks as fast aas he runs, and a lot whole lot harder. I'm bet he could lay Superman out with a punch if he wanted. And he can throw things just as fast too, making a bullet out of a pebble. Flash alone would be the hardest thing for the X-Men to deal with, and right behind him (no pun intended, again), are Superman, Martian Manhunter (who's a psychic also, yes he's in Xavier's league, and in the same league of strength as Superman), Green Lantern (make it Hal Jordan and you make it that much harder), and Wonder Woman (who I have to admit, has become pretty bad ass over the years, nothing like she used to be). And I honestly don't see how Beast, Archangel, Nightcrawler, or Wolverine even compare to that group alone. Maybe they can give Batman a hard time, I wouldn't be surprised if Batman found a way, it wouldn't be easy though. And if he fails, he still has the rest of the team to back him up. And Collosus and WW, I can't say really. Wonder Woman's been said to be in Superman's league of strength, not as strong of course, but pretty close to it. And for Martian Manhunter's weakness, it's actually a fear of fire that his entire race has, and even if that was wrong, Cyclop's Optic Blast is not fire, so I don't know what made people think that. I'm sure the X-Men can give a good fight, but they just wouldn't last against all that firepower. (And I am an X-Men fan by the way, but I know when my team is beat.)

Now make this the Avengers, and you'll have a much more evened out battle.

Finally someone that knows something about the JLA... I can't belive some people were actually comparing the speed of Flash/Superman with that of Rouge and Phoenix. There is no one I know of in the Marvel Earth that is anywhere near as fast as those two.

However I don't think that the Martian is in the same league as Prof X when it comes to psychic powers. As for his weakness for fire goes I think it is more than just a fear of it, it affects him physically and makes him as weak as a Human (Batman surrounded himself and three martians with fire and then beat the crap out of them). As for Cyclop's Optic blast, the reason I think this would have the same effect is that Superman's eye beam had a similar affect as fire on the Martian before. If you don't think it will work then just use an X-Men member that has a fire power (can't remeber one of the top of my head).

I think X-Men could win it if they have a couple of psychics on thier team and they quickly take control of Superman/Flash and turn them against thier team mates. Then it is just a matter of having Flash take GL ring before he knows what is happening and Superman can fight Wonder Woman or Martian, while the rest of the X-Men take down the rest of the JLA. They just have to be fast and decisive and not give the JLA time to recover once they are on the defensive (and of course make sure the psychics are defended from attack).

In the end in order to win there need to be more X-Men than JLA members (or JLA will end up winning), but it is possible for them to win...

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Superman is not as fast as you make him out to be. Phoenix,and rogue are extremly fast and agile, the phoenix is staggeringly much faster than superman, .

LOL Superman can moves at speeds up to 164000 miles a second, it doesnt get much faster than that. Jla would own this one so please can we close it.

I agree, they are overpowered, the bastards. And we're forgetting their special ability given to them by DC, the power to JOB TO NO ONE!!

I'm not gonna say who's more powerful between J'onn and Xavier, cause I honestly don't know, but the martian would be no pushover for Xavier. If anything, he can hold him long enough for Flash or Green Lantern to deal with him.

I still think the Avengers are more of a match though. And a better match for the X-Men may be the Titans (who were made back in the day as DC's answer to them anyways).

Oh, and I forgot to mention, GL can move faster than the speed of light. I don't know if it's just for space travel or not, just though I'd through that in there.

Originally posted by Tron
I agree, they are overpowered, the bastards. And we're forgetting their special ability given to them by DC, the power to JOB TO NO ONE!!

I'm not gonna say who's more powerful between J'onn and Xavier, cause I honestly don't know, but the martian would be no pushover for Xavier. If anything, he can hold him long enough for Flash or Green Lantern to deal with him.

I still think the Avengers are more of a match though. And a better match for the X-Men may be the Titans (who were made back in the day as DC's answer to them anyways).

Yup I think Avengers would be a better fight for them it would come down to Superman vs Thor, Green Lantern vs Iron Man, Green Arrow vs Hawk Eye, Batman vs Black Panther, Wonder Woman vs Hercules and im not sure who J'ohn could fight.

Wow, you really believe that the JLA win because superman is faster? Well truth is that he is not faster when it comes between he and the phoenix. He may be faster than rogue or storm, but what the hell is this going to do when his mind has been imploded or turned to the equivelance of a vegatable after phoenix,xavier, or psylocke has gotten ahold of him? As for comparing telepathy of martian to xavier, psylocke, or Phoenix is just silly. Phoenix can creat time pockets between space, much similar to what franklin richards has done but on a lower level, i mean richards can create a universe, that is besides the point. However phoenix could send superman into a place between space and time. this would be overkill however, he weaker and less flashy abilities would be enough to subdue supes.

I have no idea how you can think speed would be the winning attribute here. No matter how fast superman or flash is, they are still not as fast as nightcrawler. for superman or flash to get from point A to point B they have to run or fly which takes time, nightcrawler can get from point A to point B in less than a second, this ability can span an entire state. this may be very draining to near exahustion, it is just an example of his abilities of teleportation. Seriously it is sickening to even consider that Flash is in contention to face the X-men. He may be able to create a problem for cyclops, wolverine, gambit, and beast, but not to a point of gaining a victory. Let the Flash run and try and punch collosus, yeah let him do that and shatter every bone in his arm. I am done arguing this crap, because all you fanboys give for argument is that Superman is really fast, or is really strong JLA win. or yeah flash is superfast no one can touch him JLA win. Until you completely understand these hero's abilities other than watching some cartoons, get your shit out of here.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Wow, you really believe that the JLA win because superman is faster? Well truth is that he is not faster when it comes between he and the phoenix. He may be faster than rogue or storm, but what the hell is this going to do when his mind has been imploded or turned to the equivelance of a vegatable after phoenix,xavier, or psylocke has gotten ahold of him? As for comparing telepathy of martian to xavier, psylocke, or Phoenix is just silly. Phoenix can creat time pockets between space, much similar to what franklin richards has done but on a lower level, i mean richards can create a universe, that is besides the point. However phoenix could send superman into a place between space and time. this would be overkill however, he weaker and less flashy abilities would be enough to subdue supes.

I have no idea how you can think speed would be the winning attribute here. No matter how fast superman or flash is, they are still not as fast as nightcrawler. for superman or flash to get from point A to point B they have to run or fly which takes time, nightcrawler can get from point A to point B in less than a second, this ability can span an entire state. this may be very draining to near exahustion, it is just an example of his abilities of teleportation. Seriously it is sickening to even consider that Flash is in contention to face the X-men. He may be able to create a problem for cyclops, wolverine, gambit, and beast, but not to a point of gaining a victory. Let the Flash run and try and punch collosus, yeah let him do that and shatter every bone in his arm. I am done arguing this crap, because all you fanboys give for argument is that Superman is really fast, or is really strong JLA win. or yeah flash is superfast no one can touch him JLA win. Until you completely understand these hero's abilities other than watching some cartoons, get your shit out of here.

I wasnt aware that Pheonix was still on the team???? Besides they could just get Batman to build some nural blocks like the one the Ultimates used on the X-MEN then there would be no chance for them

I was going by the old team, i made that clear. If you can say simply that batman can manifest the knowledge to construct a nueral block to defend against telepaths. then i can say that beast, a scientist far more intelligent than batman could create a nureal descrambler, this is assuming batman had about a months prep time. however a nueral block cannot defend against the powers,energies and sheilds that psylocke and phoenix can manifest at will and utilize.

because all you fanboys give for argument is that Superman is really fast

for superman or flash to get from point A to point B they have to run or fly which takes time, nightcrawler can get from point A to point B in less than a second

How can you seriously compare the flash's superspeed to the x-men?

I diddnt forget about martians telepathy, it just isnt comparible to the telepaths on the x-men's team

And i mean the funniest thing about u only credit Superman or maybe Flash to actualy stand up to the xmen lol. These two could probably take out half of em though. But ur forgeting, GL,WW,MM, Aquaman😑 no leave him lol. And do not turn ur back on Batman.

The Teen Titans r a much better match for the xmen, a crossover wich has been done in the past. And JL r more in the league of the Avengers, pick up JLA/Avengers very good.

So Tron would the X-men be called the JOB Squad cuz everyone else thinks so! I HATE the overpowered DC universe!!!! 😒

this is the deal, when it comes to battles like these writers are always gonna match up charcters who are in some way similar to each other,even the most remote, so I dont think that a battle between JLA and X-men would be a superhero free for all.

someone mentioned about neural blocks and what not ,but remember that J'onn and Jean ususally does this for the team from time to time with thier own power. and speaking of that since there would be a heap of telepaths afoot, the logical choice is that they would immediatley assign themselves to each other. Also, i dont think Xavier would be an option b-cuz he's not even on the team. there hasnt been anytime i can think of where he suits up with them to go on missions, its only when they get attcked and he happens to be there, he puts up his dukes. so he shouldnt even be considered

Personally, i think that just by sheer speed alone Flash could take out a handful of them all by himself. This is going wayyyyy back, and probably is showing what a comic nerd i am, but flash has got mach punches, which means he just swings his fist at mach 1 ,2, 3 or whatever and just the shockwave alone is powerful enough to level just about anything. and thats excluding the force of his fist. he's not a strong guy or anything but just picture the difference between getting hit with a baseball traveling at 90mph, and one traveling at mach2, not pretty. This ability is ALMOST similar to when heavy weights like Hulk, Juggernaut, or Superman does that hand clap thing, and the subsequent breaking of the sound barrier produces a sonic flash that clears stuff outta the way.

WW is tough, and has that warriors spirit but Rogue would take her out, cuz they are arguably on the same str level and rogue would just touch her and steal her powers anyway. I really dont see Aqua man having a prayer but he's a limited telepath after all, so at the very least i think he would be able to mush some of thier minds, that is, unless Jean doesnt place mental blocks on all of them, like she always does.

On the flip side though, phoenix alone could make a trail thru most of the leaguers, if she completely loses control, but the fact that she,Rogue, and colossus are the biggest guns on the team, theyre greatly outmatched in raw power, and since the DC universe is insanely OVERPOWERED it would almost be criminal for the X-men to win and make it believable.

Originally posted by GreatMuta
So Tron would the X-men be called the JOB Squad cuz everyone else thinks so! I HATE the overpowered DC universe!!!! 😒

Yeah, I hate the f*ckers too, with exception of a few characters.

Okay, Flash kicking Collosus, I doubt Flash is dumb enough to go out and kick a large russian made of steel. But if he did, heere's something to think about; with speed and velocity, comes a change in density. It's like a bullet; when you just throw it at someone it doesn't do much, and of course we know what happens when you actually shoot it, making it go faster. The same could be said about a truck, there's a difference in damage of a truck doing 10 mph and one doing 65 mph. Or a boulder hitting the ground, and a meteor hitting the ground, and so on and so on. So maybe, just maybe, kicking Collosus in the gut would hurt Flash's foot (someone whose feet are always hitting the ground aat superhigh speeds), but without a doubt that'll be one hell of a gut check for Collosus. And he doesn't have to even touch him anyways, he can simply take a brick and turn the damn thing into missile. And to think if Nightcrawler's faster than Flash, or even Superman, is pretty damn funny. Wherever Nightcrawler can teleport, Flash could be there before him with a different sandwich in his hand every time. Remember, Flash moves, thinks, and react's fast. And Superman, he could use his super-vision to see the flux in Nightcrawler's movement to see where he'll show up next then simply lay him out, not that Nightcrawler can do much with his power against him.

And maybe Hank is a bit smarter than Batman, but Bat's by far the better tactician. And I doubt Rouge's close to Wonder Woman's strength, who's been compared to Superman, but if she got a hold of her, then watch out. Just hope that she doesn't have any mental side effects from doing so. And MM, don't know if he's stronger than Xavier or not, but I'm not gonna write his of and say he's not. And haven't the JLA (or most of them at least) dealt with psychics before? X-men's psychics are a definite factor, but I'm sure JLA can deal though, one way or another, especially with MM on the team. And Jean's telekinesis, can be matched and then some by GL (if we're talking old teams make it Hal Jordan and the fight becomes much harder for the X-Men). And Jean, are y'all talking about the Jean that can tap into the Phoenix force or Jean who actually is the Phoenix? JLA's dealt with cosmic entities before (i.e. Darkseid, Parrallax, etc.).

X-Men can give them a fight (as I said already), but JLA is just too much for them, as much as I hate to admit it, sorry fanboys.

Why do people assume that Flash is a weak hitter when it comes to fights. People don't you know that the Force of an Impact is proportunal to the difference in mass and velocity of the two objects. These means that even a grain of sand can go through solid metal if one of the objects is moving fast enough during impact. I don't care if Collosus is made of solid steel if Flash hits him while he is at a very high speed he will knock him out, might even kill him if he uses his top speed.... I remember reading in a comic before that as Flash increases his speed he forms some kind of buffer barrier to protect him from the effect of his increased speed (friction/wind resistance/force exerted on his body), so while his attacks can damage his enemies his is not affected by it....

That is why I have stated before that unless someone (the psychics) takes out Flash quickly the X-Men will be in trouble.

P.S. Is Rouges ability to take other peoples power limited to Mutants or anyone with super powers... This is an important fact to consider...

Also which universe will the fight take place in? If it is Marvel Univerese then Flash cannot access the power he needs to run at high speed because the power is not present there... Just something to consider...

Batman would join the Xmen. Because he knows the JLA pricks would lose.

Originally posted by LeAtHerRFace
Batman would join the Xmen. Because he knows the JLA pricks would lose.

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Great Muta, go read some DC.

This had gone down to company bashing and character bashing, it isn't worth the trouble.

And here's a little thought for you: Flash is faster than thought.