Originally posted by Rasta
If Phoenix was not in this matchup, then X-Men would be far from clear winners.
But...she is, right?
Is Phoenix Invulenerable?
One of the most widely abused terms. Invulnerable hardly means unbeatable. Superman, Rogue, Juggernaut - all invulnerable, and all quite beatable. "Invulnerable" references physical damage only via force - what about telepathy? What if Blink "blinked" them out of existence? What if Nightcrawler ported one of their appendages elsewhere?
Phoenix is part of the curren X-Men lineup (Jean Grey), not Rachel. Jean Grey currently hosts the Phoenix Force as pointed out in X-Men 150.
Originally posted by MaverickIce
There is no "New X-men team" since they are in a arc called Here Comes Tomorrow, with alternate X-men...
Getting a little tired of correcting you 🙁
Perhaps a bit of research prior to responding will preclude an erroneous post in the near future?
Read #152 yet? When E.V.A. is speaking with Tom? The part where E.V.A. says "The Three-In-One has spoken, and your presence in >>>>our X-Men unit <<<< would be most valued..."
Arrows are mine for emphasis.
No, Phoenix is not invulnerable. What does this have to do with anything...? Phoenix still completely and unequivocally owns the JLA. Without the help of the X-Men.
We don't know. You're the one who keeps asking which line-up people are tlking about. So far, there doesn't seem to be a consensus.
My query was rhetorical, and I stated which line-up I was using long ago (New X-Men). Really does not matter which JLA line-up anyone uses 🙁
Does not matter whom. You said, quote: "There is no New X-men team." You are incorrect. Beak is part of the current X-Men team. So is E.V.A. Cassandra Nova. Tom + his Sentinel. Three-In-One. Do you really read X-Men...? If so, why do you not know this?
Erm...kind of difficult to surprise Rachel considerig she possesses Xavier's telepathic abilities to the infinite power, eh? You know...the ability to read every single member of the JLA's mind and know what they are planning to do before they do it - and act accordingly?
Superman + Flash go from zero to owned...at the speed of light.
Look do the right thing and make this a full roster fight. Everyone who ever joined the JLA no mattery how shortly vs everyone who ever joined the X-Men, same rules apply. This way the fight may actually become fair since there just might be some one in one of the Justice leagues who could go toe to toe with phoenix
Originally posted by Never
Does not matter whom. You said, quote: "There is no New X-men team." You are incorrect. Beak is part of the current X-Men team. So is E.V.A. Cassandra Nova. Tom + his Sentinel. Three-In-One. Do you really read X-Men...? If so, why do you not know this?Superman + Flash go from zero to owned...at the speed of light.
Actually, I don't read New or Uncanny or X-treme, I don't like the styles IMO. So all recent knowledge of mine is based on reviews and solitcts.
If Flash hurled a steel pipe at her head at the speed or light or past, you honestly believe Phoenix could block or dodge it?
My query was rhetorical, and I stated which line-up I was using long ago (New X-Men). Really does not matter which JLA line-up anyone uses
That's not the point, and you know it. It's not about the JLA line-up, it's about the X-Men one, and if Phoenix is not there. Granted you're saying she is, but what I was refering to was if she wasn't.
No, Phoenix is not invulnerable. What does this have to do with anything...?
Everything. The fact remains that Superman is Invulnerable, but his Invulnerability can be worn down after wearing down his Solar reserves. E.g Doomsday battle, but before this point he cannot be hurt.
Phoenix, on the other hand isn't. This means that she could be hurt.
Erm...kind of difficult to surprise Rachel considerig she possesses Xavier's telepathic abilities to the infinite power, eh? You know...the ability to read every single member of the JLA's mind and know what they are planning to do before they do it - and act accordingly?
Indeed. But not at the speed of light. I'm not saying that Superman or Flash would kill her this way, but it is a possibility.
Look do the right thing and make this a full roster fight. Everyone who ever joined the JLA no mattery how shortly vs everyone who ever joined the X-Men, same rules apply.
Hardly fair. The number previous and existing X-Men is far far more than the JLA.
Originally posted by eleveninches
Pheonix is not an x-man in "here comes tommorrow". She is one of beast's followers, who are fighting against the x-men. She is, however, trying to regain her memory, and when she does, she will probably turn on beast and become one of the good guys again.
According to which issue? Last I have is #152 and she most certainly was not one of Beast's followers. Regardless of all of this hair splitting, Phoenix IS an X-Man, has BEEN an X-Man, and will continue to BE an X-Man.
Hence Phoenix doesn't help the X-men, and therefore the JLA wins.
The lineup that I am using includes Phoenix, so...?
That's not the point, and you know it. It's not about the JLA line-up, it's about the X-Men one, and if Phoenix is not there. Granted you're saying she is, but what I was refering to was if she wasn't.
Matters not which X-Man lineup you are using considering the one I am using includes Phoenix. What is the point of this rather childish t!t for tat? Are someone's feelings actually hurt that Phoenix (Jean Grey AND Rachel) would own the JLA by themselves? The JLA CLASSIC lineup is not weak, it just so happens that Phoenix is damn powerful, and she happens to be an X-Man.
Everything. The fact remains that Superman is Invulnerable, but his Invulnerability can be worn down after wearing down his Solar reserves. E.g Doomsday battle, but before this point he cannot be hurt.
WHAT!? LoL, Superman is NOT invulnerable in his current incarnation. Hello, kryptonite? Hello, magic? Hello anyone with sufficient power? Or shall we say "Superman is invulnerable but...? Kind of diminishes the term "invulnerable," does it not?
Doomsday battle? Cannot be hurt? Er, was he not bleeding during this battle? His solar reserves were not even remotely CLOSE to being depleted. Wowzers, did anyone here read "Kingdom Come?" Recall the part where Shazam said...well, "Shazam?" Superman was on his knees, smoking. "Shazam!" Superman was bleeding from his ears. "Shazam!" Superman was bleeding from his nose. So much for that quite flawed posit that "he cannot be hurt."
Captain Marvel also knocked Superman the hell out in Grant Morrison's run on JLA. Knocked him out cold. Superman "cannot be hurt?" Who told you that 😕
Phoenix's not being invulnerable has NOTHING to do with the matter at hand. Is THANOS invulnerable? Someone please tell me Flash and Superman would have a snowball's chance in hell against him? Is Loki invulnerable? Is Galactus invulnerable? Is Dr. Strange invulnerable? Is Mephisto invulnerable? No no no no no. "Invulnerable" is quite the misnomer as it is used in comics.
Rogue is "invulnerable," Magneto is not. Care to guess who would hand the other her ass in a battle? Invulnerability has zero bearing on the outcome of a battle between Phoenix and the JLA.
Indeed. But not at the speed of light. I'm not saying that Superman or Flash would kill her this way, but it is a possibility.
It's not a possibility. She's a telepath. Her telepathy has been magnified infinitely per the Phoenix Force.
The number previous and existing X-Men is far far more than the JLA.
Prove it - and you did say, quote, "far far more." Willing to bet you will be quite surprised.