Aw Christ... Don't even acknowledge that nonsense, Never. He's not making it up, he's just screwing it up. He's going by the roster of "X-Men: Evolution," and mixing up Cyclops with the horribly conceived made-for-TV character Spyke. Ugh...
Newsflash, mpatterson: that's not the X-Men. Those are kids, and two adults to make sure they don't kill each other during a food fight or Halloween shenanigans.
I don't object to people using the JLA roster from the cartoon, because at least it's mostly truthful. Considering heavy hitters like Superman, J'onn J'onzz, Wonder Woman, the Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, or whoever else wears the damn ring in this fight), and the underhanded ingenuity of the Batman, I'd put my money on the JLA, whatever the oppositional X-Men line-up was.
Of course, if Jean Grey and Charles Xavier both stepped in and overpowered J'onn J'onzz's telepathic defenses for the JLA, that might change things.
I would take Never's word for it over my own vague knowledge of the Martian Manhunter. He seems to know more about DC characters.
However...
I figure that Xavier is a very restrained telepath, out of necessity and as part of his heroism. The X-Men's biggest ace in the hole against the JLA is a psionic attack. The Martian Manhunter's instinct for survival is very likely to be stronger than Xavier's aggressive drive. There's a saying "the rabbit runs faster than the wolf because he is running for his life, and the wolf is running for his supper." Wolverine has said "the best killers aren't the ones who love death; they're the ones who love life." What this amounts to is that J'onn is more likely to spend more effort on protecting his team than cautious, ethical Xavier is on attacking them psychically. If Xavier's abilities far exceed J'onn's, then maybe it's a moot point.
If both Jean and Xavier hit J'onn, then it's definitely a moot point. Truthfully, I'm not sure how susceptible the big guns of the JLA are to mutant telepathy. For all I know, the green power ring can block that, and maybe extraterrestrials are less vulnerable.
Sorry, Kal. I'll school you on something else real soon with some kind of authority. DC heroes are impressive, but their limits are not my primary expertise.
Originally posted by kal-el
Cheers Never/Bats. I'm pretty sure Xavier is more powerful and as you say Bats, he is the only one who could holod himself back. But he'd do anything to protect his wonderful x-children wouldn't he?
Did he not simply mind wipe Magneto when he had no other choice? LoL, as far as the "holding himself back" bit...exactly which part of Xavier's psyche merged with Magneto's to form Onslaught? His dark side? He DOES have one.
Xavier damn sure will subdue any opponent, even if it means wiping their mind.
Now...Green Lantern's willpower vs. Xavier's? Different matter entirely.
Full roster X-Men would wipe the floor with the JLA, in my opinion. They have Xavier and Jean Grey, along with Emma Frost, X-Man (Nate Grey, who was hella powerful), and Cable who can take out most of the JLA just by thinking about it. I would like to see Bishop and Batman go at it in a brawl though, that would be a cool battle to see.
I'm a Marvel boy, so my opinion is biased, and I don't know that much about the JLA.
Originally posted by ScarletSpider
I posted a biased account, but I did admit that I was.I was thinking about the sheer number of almost omni-powerful mutants that the X-Men have had in their service at some time or another.
That have had exactly one almost omni-powerful mutant.
Martian Manhunter is capable of psionically protecting his teammates.