3 Characters make the current xmen almost impossible to beat...
PHOENIX, JUGGERNAUT, ICEMAN.
the current jla doesn't stand a chance.
another interesting note is that flash is only tied to the speed force in dc.
so if this battle was somewhere else (like the marvel univserse) he'd just be a slow ass human who couldn't do crap just like in jla vs avengers.
martian manhunter can not telepathically stop the phoenix...she's tied to the billion upon billions of minds in the multiverse which is where she draws her power from.
i'd like to see superman hurt iceman. he's pure ice...he punches him he reforms, he uses heat vision he reforms....iceman can exist in all three states solid, liquid and gas...he doesn't have internal organs and is psionically powered...just like aquaman can control the h20 in your brain iceman can do the same...
Originally posted by norrin radd
or because of the white queen?
Bingo. When she occupied Bobby's body, she gave him but a PEEK of his vast potential.
You then see him beginning to understand just how powerful he is during the Onslaught story arc when he detects Xavier's presence (think it was Xavier) via body temperature.
Full Potential Iceman is indeed on some next level "ish."
not just iceman's potential...he's done this stuff already. a good story arc is the one with bastion. you see bobby really cut loose. he's turned into water, traveled down a river, turn to gas and reform to solid form. even from a puddle...if you need issues i'll get them...
aquaman can control the water molecules in your brain because we all come from the ocean...well that's how it was explained in the comic book.
and bobby did this to emma after finding out she did this to him...
also, it wasn't white queen who got bobby to realize his potential...it was actually mikhail rasputin...
oh btw did you know he can float and move in the air without the use of those stupid ice slides we were all accustomed to?
also he's taken on the stranger...and won. (but not on his own but with some help...i think it was with toad, juggernaut with none of cytorraks powers, mystique and jean.
Iceman still wouldn't be a problem. Have martian Manhunter shut down his brain, or Green Lantern contain him in an energy bubble.
I don't see how Juggernaut would be a big asset either, the JLA have fought plenty of super strong villians. Wonder Woman or Superman alone could take care of him. The JLA strictly out power the X-men in all possible ways. The X-mebn don't even have anybody that can touch the flash. His mind even moves to quick for telepaths to get a hold of.
Originally posted by Alan2099
Iceman still wouldn't be a problem. Have martian Manhunter shut down his brain, or Green Lantern contain him in an energy bubble.I don't see how Juggernaut would be a big asset either, the JLA have fought plenty of super strong villians. Wonder Woman or Superman alone could take care of him. The JLA strictly out power the X-men in all possible ways. The X-mebn don't even have anybody that can touch the flash. His mind even moves to quick for telepaths to get a hold of.
And what about Phoenix?
i know that dc characters operate at a different level, take for example the flash (almost the speed of light), and in marvel quicksilver (speed of sound), in dc they over react the characters more then marvel i think, and some times it´s ridiculous.
But the thing about marvel it´s that they have the best thelepats, DC is more about physical force.
And like never said don´t forget the Phoenix, and IF and this is a big if, magneto is on the x-men team, jla would be in HUGE troubles.
Superman and Wonderwoman have both been shown to be able to be able to shake off the effects of telepethy. Platic man no longer has a "mind" that can be controlled at all. Green lantern has sometimes been able to shake on mindcontrol. Sometimes not. Martian manhunter and Aquaman may not be the telepaths that Jean and Emma are, but they could at least keep them busy until Flash runs up behind them and knocks them out. That's what I hate about DC comics, they're just too $&^% powerful.
I'd assume Xavier would stay out of the fight. He always seems to.
Now if you had Phoenix (not Jean, the REAL Phoenix,) and magneto both, then it would be an awsome fight.
Originally posted by Alan2099
Now if you had Phoenix (not Jean, the REAL Phoenix,) and magneto both, then it would be an awsome fight.
Not sure what you mean by the REAL Phoenix considering Jean Grey was the first "REAL" Phoenix, and is currently (ack, have not read the latest issue so if she is no longer, I stand corrected) host to the Phoenix entity.
Again, the Phoenix multiplies the powers of its host infinitely...and neither Superman nor Wonderwoman have encountered a telepath on the level of The Phoenix.
Dark Phoenix (I know we are referencing Phoenix, but still) would destroy Superman with but a thought. Rachel would take...what, 2 thoughts?
Jean? Three.
Hal Jordan would be better than Kyle...and what you presented is one scenario out of countless battle scenarios 😉 With no prep there is no way that Flash would know who is and who is not a telepath.