Originally posted by JuggernautFan
i can't believe this is being debated. juggernaut iceman phoenix, doesn't make a difference. dc is too powerful. that and the "juggernaut" currently appearing doesn't have his power. atleast not all of it. so he's no help. i can't see the x-men win this. in any way shape or form.
LoL. Phoenix stomped Galactus and you cannot see how the X-Men ***can**** win it?
I guess 🙄
When I said the real Phoenix, I was referring to how she originally appeared. The Phoenix forced coppied Jean Grey's mind and body but was NOT Jean. That version, which later went on to become Dark Phoenix has been shown to be more powerful than any other incarnation.
Now people keep dragging up what the characters can do at the very peaks of their abilites. randomly pick up a comicbook. ANY comicbook. Characters hardly ever use the peak abilites. If they did, the JLA would even be more dangerous. Flash can lend his speed. Imagine taking on the entire JLA, while they were wearing atrenght encahnced armor created from GL's ring and speed gifted to them by the Flash.
Full power is for last minute desperation and the X-men wouldn't have the time.
why can't people face the facts?
Fact #1. Phoenix is the embodiment of life and draws power from ALL...EVEN THE UNBORN. Which means you take every superhero, supervillain, race in all of Marvel's multiverse and you put that power into one single entity and that's phoenix. AND YES THIS HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY. READ SECRET WARS.
Fact #2. FLASH couldn't touch ANY XMEN in MARVEL. The SPEED FORCE only exists in DC. Flash LOST to QUICKSILVER in the Savage Land. Then eventually had no speed at all.
*Interesting note...it's funny how marvel characters got stronger traveling to DC while DC characters got weaker.
Fact #3. As written by Chris Claremont in his last run on uncanny x-men, SPEED OF THOUGHT is FASTER THAN SPEED OF LIGHT. I have to find the exact issue on this one. BUT IT IS WRITTEN and THEREFORE must be considered as true.
Fact #4. Rogue can access the power of any being she has EVER touched. Hmm...she's touched Thor...
Side Notes:
-Yes martian manhunter is probably the only JLA character who can possibly stop iceman due his telepathic abilities.
But I just have to wonder if Martian Manhunter would even stick around when he sees a big celestial fiery bird by the name of Phoenix looming over him.
-Excluding current Aquaman with the waterbearer, hand since we really don't know what he is capable of just yet, the last incarnation of aquaman with the pirahna bitten off hand was able to control anything with ancestry based from water.
Originally posted by Alan2099
When I said the real Phoenix, I was referring to how she originally appeared. The Phoenix forced coppied Jean Grey's mind and body but was NOT Jean. That version, which later went on to become Dark Phoenix has been shown to be more powerful than any other incarnation.
What? Never said it was "Jean." The Phoenix Force is the Phoenix Force. It uses a HOST, similar to Proteus.
Neither Jean nor Rachel need "full power" to torch the JLA. Neither one of them.
Still LoL @ Superman and Wonderwoman shaking off the effects of Rachel's telepathic ability magnific INFINITELY.
don't all living things on earth have their ancestry based on water?
Heh. Darwin's General Theory of Evolution has been discredited.
Sounded as if you were giving that as a reason Aquaman could control "the water in your brain." And again, I am almost certain that was Aquaman Prime. He was able to control both the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in water.
well i think this thread is dead, but im tossing around a new idea for a vs thread.
I think if we took every member past and present from the mutant Brotherhood and the Sinister Six((obviously more than six have been members)) we could have a decent vs thread for a change.
problem is I dont know all of the members of the brother hood pretty much toad, blob, Sabretooth i think Mystique and thats all i can recal. anybody know?
Superman Prime was just a possible future for Superman, in the 853rd Century or something. There were all possible futures, under DC 1 Million I think, for different characters, I presume it is the same for Aquaman Prime. I don't see how it's ridiculous though? I hear crys from Marvel fans all the time about DC, but it's ****ing comic books, it is not reality.
Maybe you guys, and I mean you few, not all, distance yourself so far from reality, being social-rejects that you believe Marvel to be real world? I've no idea, it's pathetic though.
Originally posted by Rasta
Superman Prime was just a possible future for Superman, in the 853rd Century or something. There were all possible futures, under DC 1 Million I think, for different characters, I presume it is the same for Aquaman Prime.
Correct.
JLA #1,000,000
Feature Characters: Superman of the 853rd century (last in Superman Vol. 2 #1,000,000), Batman of the 853rd century (last in Detective Comics #1,000,000), Flash (John Fox; last in Impulse #1,000,000)), Starman of the 853rd century (last in Starman Vol. 2 #1,000,000), Wonder Woman of the 853rd century, Aquaman of the 853rd century, Hourman of the 853rd century (latter three last in DC One Million #2; all seven as the Justice League A; all seven next in DC One Million #3).
If any are Justice League fans, you have to read Grant Morrison's story arc. Wonder Woman, for example, is carved out of living marble. Her bracelets are now intelligent, sentient, bands named Chastity and Harmony. Batman is ridiculous! One of my favorite Morrison stories ever.
Im new and i just read some of the most misinformed things about superman
1. someone said superman cant take a hit from a nuclear bomb. WRONG!
Hunter/Prey Superman withstands an explosion described by Waverider as having the force of a million million nukes and continues on to fight Doomsday
on JLA superman has twice moved the moon!
On mental attacks Adventure of Superman #452 Superman fights off a mental attack intended to kill him by sheer willpower
during the "king of the world" story line it took a galactic entitity (dominus) a long time to control superman, and superman still broke free
JLA #41 Superman absorbs the equivalent energy of a Hyper Nova which could of destroyed the entire galaxy with a smile
Through concentration, Kale-El and all Kryptonians have the mental capability of transporting himslef and his opponent into a psychic battlefield
In this battlefield, the person generating the psychic images has the capacity to will whatever the weapons and environment be like! Superman, though untrained, has been stated to be a naturally gifted Psychic combatant
In Midsummernight's dream, Superman was also depicted as having the capacity to emit destructive levels of sonic booms from an uncontrolled volume of his voice. The destructive force of Superman's voice at an enhanced but "normal" point for him as being able to overturn vehicles and shatter the more fragile portions of buildings around him. While this power has never truly been used mainstream
superman travel at 99% the speed of light in space he has surpaced lightspeed
during a fight with Doomsday Superman vibrated his molecules allowing Doomdsday blows to pass harmlessly through him
the first Doomsday fight. Superman's Solar Stores were low, this was said by the eradicator to superman, had someone moved him to the sun he wouldnt have died.
superman while sundipped moved the planet pluto while the planet had engines that were pulling away
while sundipped superman defeated IMPERIEX! a being that destroys and restarts Universes
he has also defeated sun eaters. they destroy galaxies,
he has re-heated the earth with his heatvision
All of these are post-crisis feats.
Phoenix??? bring her on!
there have been well over 60 members in the JLA
one of them was johnny Thunder with his geeny which is a 5D Imp, ( think Mxyzptlk)
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
The Flash II
Green Lantern II (Hal Jordan)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter (a.k.a. J'onn J'onzz, The Manhunter from Mars)
Green Arrow
The Atom II
Hawkman II - (Silver Age)
Black Canary
The Elongated Man
Red Tornado II
Hawkwoman (Hawkgirl II) - (Silver Age)
Zatanna
Firestorm
Steel II
Vixen
Gypsy
Vibe
Katana
Blue Beetle II
Captain Marvel
Doctor Fate
Green Lantern IV (Guy Gardner)
Mister Miracle
Booster Gold
Green Flame (a.k.a. Fire)
Icemaiden II (a.k.a. Ice)
Doctor Light II
Captain Atom
Rocket Red 7
Rocket Red 4
Hawkman II - (Modern Age)
Hawkwoman - (Modern Age)
The Huntress II
Doctor Fate II
Lightray
Orion
General Glory
Bloodwynd
Maxima
The Ray II
Maya
The Flash (Jay Garrick)
Animal Man
The Flash III (Wally West)
Metamorpho
Power Girl
Crimson Fox
Blue Jay
Silver Sorceress
Tasmanian Devil
Major Disaster
G'nort, a Green Lantern
Multi-Man
Big Sir
Cluemaster
Clock King
The Mighty Bruce
The Scarlet Skier
Hawkman III - (Modern Age)
Nuklon
Obsidian
Blue Devil
Icemaiden
L-Ron
Mystek
Triumph
Amazing Man II
Zan & Jayna (The Wonder Twins)
Green Lantern V (Kyle Rayner)
Aztek
Green Arrow II
Oracle
Plastic Man
Steel III
Wonder Woman III (Queen Hippolyta)
Zauriel
Big Barda
Hourman III
Faith
Green Lantern III (John Stewart)
Manitou Raven
Hawkgirl II - (Modern Age)
Nightwing
Jason Blood (Etrigan, The Demon)
The Phantom Stranger
Pick your poison!