silver surfer vs superman

Originally posted by dvampire
Superman #207 was to prove that he could speedbiltz, not how fast he could go. Supes is faster then light, he gets to Earth to Pluto (Imperiex Our Worlds at war) in no time.

In Superman #217 he stats that it took him years to acclimate to that speed (speed of light), and that in the vacuum of space, it's all fun. But on earth, he has to calculate subtle pressure dynamics, air flow, and inertia. He always slows when flying over populated areas to eliminate the sonic boom he creates. He even pluged Lois them ears as he pass by with the his speed.

And Superman took Darkseid from Earth to the sun in seconds and speed biltz him.

And you people keep saying Sufer can speedbiltz but he never does.

He specifically said that he wasn't fast enough. If Superman could go faster, to save a life, he would. He wasn't fast enough.

That list is chock full of lies. Post scans.

Prove that Superman flew to the sun in seconds.

Surfer doesn't need to speedblitz. He doesn't fight hand to hand.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He specifically said that he wasn't fast enough. That list is chock full of lies. Post scans.

Prove that Superman flew to the sun in seconds.

Surfer doesn't need to speedblitz. He doesn't fight hand to hand.

It's not lies you just don't want to believe it. Go get the books before you say he can't move that fast.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He's saying that Superman will be able to force Surfer onto an extraphysical plane where Superman is basically god, but he is unwilling to prove it.

Last time I check Superman was the one getting full into (the dream world) by Dominus , he resisted but that’s all.

Since when can superman pull people into his world?

Issue #

Superman is NOT going to beat a herald of Galactus.
C'mon.....YES he CAN knock Surfer out, but Surfer can easily
scan Superman's physiology and then proceed to destroy him in
any number of ways: kryptonite, red-sun radiation, energy absorption,
cell-phone call to big pimp-daddy Galactus.....

Originally posted by dvampire
It's not lies you just don't want to believe it. Go get the books before you say he can't move that fast.

Kgkg just proved that the author of that list is a liar. Superman did not go faster than light in #207, or in #20.

I have never seen Superman move at the speed of light in all of the books I own. I'm not about to go backordering all of those comics. The burden of proof rests on your shoulders.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Kgkg just proved that the author of that list is a liar. Superman did not go faster than light in #207, or in #20.

I have never seen Superman move at the speed of light in all of the books I own. I'm not about to go backordering all of those comics. The burden of proof rests on your shoulders.

He did go that fast in those books. Do you have those books I just listed? 😆

Originally posted by dvampire
He did go that fast in those books. Do you have those books I just listed? 😆

Mach 9-10 isn't exactly the speed of light. He states in #207 that he couldn't go any faster. Superman can't move anywhere near lightspeed.

No, I don't. Post scans.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Mach 9-10 isn't exactly the speed of light. He states in #207 that he couldn't go any faster. Superman can't move anywhere near lightspeed.

No, I don't. Post scans.

LMAO

Originally posted by kgkg
lol Superman #217 - he breaks the sound barrier that's all

LMAO

He solws down his speed in a populated area because of the sonicboom he creates. Hes not free to go as fast as he wants like he does in space with people are around. 🙂 He can move much faster.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

No, I don't. Post scans.

Go get the books.

Originally posted by dvampire
He solws down his speed in a populated area because of the sonicboom he creates. Hes not free to go as fast as he wants like he does in space with people are around. 🙂 He can move much faster.

Light is 10000000 times faster than speeding bullet.

Yes, he doesn't go beyond speed of sound (in populated area) that doesn't show he can go beyond light speed.

Superman himself already stated he is not much faster than a speeding bullet he can’t go FTL.

He could he would have stopped all those Bullets, actually all those bullets will be seem a like they were still (stopped time) (that's what light is) this is not even an argument (superman word," I wasn't fast enough” that’s says it all).

Originally posted by dvampire
Go get the books.

Man, look:

Superman is not beating Surfer unless it's a fist fight, and even then it's not guaranteed, ok Supes fans.

Surfer can augment his physical strength to unknown degrees with the power cosmic and create forcefields. He could make himself a faux bio-matrix-esque forcefield powered by the power cosmic if he wished. He's made force fields before, he'd just have to make it skin tight, and then he'd just have to match or surpass Supes strength by drawing on cosmic power. He could, if he chose to, slug it out. Read "The Enslavers" hard cover for an example of what happens when Surfer is provoked and decides to take the physical route. It's a rarity, but when Surfer throws down he's no slouch.

All powers at play Supes is vastly out-matched since Surfer has a severe tactical advantage from the gate.

In a purely physical confrontation, it's not guranteed Supes would drop Surfer if they both went all out since Surfer rarely ever participates in purely physical altercations and we don't have a good point of reference. If you read "The Enslavers" hard cover, you'll see what happens when he gets serious and gets physical, and his opponent on this occasion had absorbed the strength from billions upon billions of alien races he had enslaved as well as Earth's heavy hitters like Hulk, Namor, Colossus, etc. upon invading Earth. Read that book.

Also, on a side note, in this story it's also shown that Surfer can endow other people with a portion of his power cosmic. He gave a scientist half his power so he could attack the Enslaver's mother ship while he held off their leader on Earth (Surfer was getting his ass handed to him for a bit at half power).

Originally posted by illadelph12
Man, look:

Superman is not beating Surfer unless it's a fist fight, and even then it's not guaranteed, ok Supes fans.

Surfer can augment his physical strength to unknown degrees with the power cosmic and create forcefields. He could make himself a faux bio-matrix-esque forcefield powered by the power cosmic if he wished. He's made force fields before, he'd just have to make it skin tight, and then he'd just have to match or surpass Supes strength by drawing on cosmic power. He could, if he chose to, slug it out. Read "The Enslavers" hard cover for an example of what happens when Surfer is provoked and decides to take the physical route. It's a rarity, but when Surfer throws down he's no slouch.

All powers at play Supes is vastly out-matched since Surfer has a severe tactical advantage from the gate.

In a purely physical confrontation, it's not guranteed Supes would drop Surfer if they both went all out since Surfer rarely ever participates in purely physical altercations and we don't have a good point of reference. If you read "The Enslavers" hard cover, you'll see what happens when he gets serious and gets physical, and his opponent on this occasion had absorbed the strength from billions upon billions of alien races he had enslaved as well as Earth's heavy hitters like Hulk, Namor, Colossus, etc. upon invading Earth. Read that book.

Also, on a side note, in this story it's also shown that Surfer can endow other people with a portion of his power cosmic. He gave a scientist half his power so he could attack the Enslaver's mother ship while he held off their leader on Earth (Surfer was getting his ass handed to him for a bit at half power).

Exactly. Silver Surfer can amp his strength past Superman's and he can create a force field that protects an ordinary human from black hole gravity. He could phase through Superman's punches, or avoid them altogether since he's a couple billion times faster than Superman. Superman is outclassed, period. There is no possible means by which he could win this fight, unless Silver Surfer let him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Kismet is not on par with Eternity.

You're being quite the hypocrite. You ask for proof, and I give it to you. Am I not entitled the same courtesy? It sounds like you're hiding something.

You mean like the last time u said u werent a librarian? 😆

A - I'm not in the mood to go dig out the crates, or hit up the store for you.

B - Even if I was, I dont feel like scanning, then uploading just to appease you.

You either believe it or not. If you prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy to give you credit.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You mean like the last time u said u werent a librarian? 😆

A - I'm not in the mood to go dig out the crates, or hit up the store for you.

B - Even if I was, I dont feel like scanning, then uploading just to appease you.

You either believe it or not. If you prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy to give you credit.

Exactly. You don't have to prove anything to me. That's not the purpose of a debate. 🙄

I can prove anything I have said. You, on the other hand, haven't proven a thing.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You mean like the last time u said u werent a librarian? 😆

A - I'm not in the mood to go dig out the crates, or hit up the store for you.

B - Even if I was, I dont feel like scanning, then uploading just to appease you.

You either believe it or not. If you prove me wrong, i'll be more than happy to give you credit.

Issue #?

Last time I checked it was superman that was getting pulled into D's illusions

Dominus was mind controlling Superman. Superman didn't force him into anything. Apparently, he used Torquasm vo to defeat Dominus.

"When Superman doesn't want someone in his head they aren't getting in." So much for that notion.

Dominus is not more powerful than the Silver Surfer.

Kismet - Wields Control over the basic fabric of the universe.

Dominus - Can configure realities significantly.

SS is powerful enough to pull these types of things off?

Secret Files and Origins #2

Feel free to look them up.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Dominus was mind controlling Superman. Superman didn't force him into anything. Apparently, he used Torquasm vo to defeat Dominus.

"When Superman doesn't want someone in his head they aren't getting in." So much for that notion.

Dominus is not more powerful than the Silver Surfer.

Dominus fooled Supes by presenting an illusion to him. Supes wasnt under actual mind control.