Originally posted by drwerwer
srry this is kinda random but this is kinda random but its wierd how the majority of my friends think wolverine would win kinda easily and most of them hate him while the majority of you think that cyke would win
If you just look at the facts and the comic feats and such, I think it's clearly obvious that Cyclops wins. But hey, everyone is entitled to their own, crazy opinions.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright, let's see if I can work with what little you give me.-Scott's blast does not have any heat, correct. No stronger than a Hulk punch? Really, that's debatable, since they've never really been compared. That, and they're two completely different things.
-AOA Wolverine was still bonded to Adamantium in the SAME DAMN WAY he is in 616. His bonding process took place before the AOA timeline would have even started. So really, this is very much relevent and has everything to do with this reality. If Scott can do it there, he can do it in 616.
-Wolverine has walked through plasma blasts. I'm not disagreeing. But what you're not seeing is that Havok's plasma blasts are NOT CONCUSSIVE. They're just plain heat basically. Cyke's blasts will send Wolverine flying.
-Yes, Wolverine has dodged lasers before. But I think I've seen Wolverine dodge Cyke's blasts oh....ONCE. He's been hit every other time. Yes, yes, here comes the "but he was under mind control!" "But he wasn't ready for the attack!" "But he was letting Cyke hit him!" I have an idea to make this fair. Let's both tie up and blindfold Cyclops so he can't see anything, and face him against a fully-prepared, ready-to-do-battle Wolverine. I think that should be fair.
-And I know you didn't bring this up, but if Wolverine is 10 feet away or farther, he's screwed everytime. Cyclops mops the floor with him even at this distance. WOLVERINE IS NOT FASTER THAN THOUGHT.
You know, honestly, it's not even that fun anymore. Debates are supposed to be intelligent. You don't listen to what anyone says ("yes I do! I always listen to what other people say!" yea yea, blah blah) and you just keep repeating the same damn lines over and over again, thinking that it may convince us the next time around. With you, it's like trying to teach a stubborn child that the stove is hot. After awhile, it's just not even worth it.
Cyclops 9/10.
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Originally posted by peejaydCyclops does not know more strategies than Logan. It's impossible.
* Cyke is a strategist and he knows Logan like the back of his hand... Cyke won't let Logan come close, and Logan will eat optic blast everytime...
And how will Cyke keep Logan from getting close when a power-less Storm was able to?
Originally posted by riceroost
Cyclops does not know more strategies than Logan. It's impossible.And how will Cyke keep Logan from getting close when a power-less Storm was able to?
Wow still manning the struggle here, its been shown time and again Cyclops can put Logan down. He's hit him pretty much whenever he has wanted to, Logan on the other hand is the one thats going to catch a beating here.
Logan cannot overcome Cyclops concussive blasts, Cyclops will knock him around like a pirate 🏴☠️ bashing baby seals.
Originally posted by SoleranYet it has been shown several times that Wolverine can take Cyclops' blast relatively no problem. Wolverine has taken Cyclops' blast without the visor, or the glasses to hold back the beams in the Brood Saga.
Wow still manning the struggle here, its been shown time and again Cyclops can put Logan down. He's hit him pretty much whenever he has wanted to, Logan on the other hand is the one thats going to catch a beating here.Logan cannot overcome Cyclops concussive blasts, Cyclops will knock him around like a pirate 🏴☠️ bashing baby seals.
I repeat: If a de-powered Storm could manage to get close enough to Cyclops to take him out, how could Wolverine not manage it?
I've never said Wolverine would win every encounter, but if the fight takes place in a junkyard, or a house, or the forest Cyclops is going to get killed. Wolverine is too ninja pimp to lose this fight if there is cover around. Same thing happened with Storm.
Havok went after Logan in the forest. And he got beat. Havok is the same kind of fighter as Cyclops. And Havok is more deadly than Cyclops.
The winner of this battle is determined entirely upon where the fight is.
Wolverine wont win every time, but he can win.
Originally posted by riceroost
Yet it has been shown several times that Wolverine can take Cyclops' blast relatively no problem. Wolverine has taken Cyclops' blast without the visor, or the glasses to hold back the beams in the Brood Saga.I repeat: If a de-powered Storm could manage to get close enough to Cyclops to take him out, how could Wolverine not manage it?
I've never said Wolverine would win every encounter, but if the fight takes place in a junkyard, or a house, or the forest Cyclops is going to get killed. Wolverine is too ninja pimp to lose this fight if there is cover around. Same thing happened with Storm.
Havok went after Logan in the forest. And he got beat. Havok is the same kind of fighter as Cyclops. And Havok is more deadly than Cyclops.
The winner of this battle is determined entirely upon where the fight is.
Wolverine wont win every time, but he can win.
Originally posted by riceroost
Yet it has been shown several times that Wolverine can take Cyclops' blast relatively no problem. Wolverine has taken Cyclops' blast without the visor, or the glasses to hold back the beams in the Brood Saga.I repeat: If a de-powered Storm could manage to get close enough to Cyclops to take him out, how could Wolverine not manage it?
I've never said Wolverine would win every encounter, but if the fight takes place in a junkyard, or a house, or the forest Cyclops is going to get killed. Wolverine is too ninja pimp to lose this fight if there is cover around. Same thing happened with Storm.
Havok went after Logan in the forest. And he got beat. Havok is the same kind of fighter as Cyclops. And Havok is more deadly than Cyclops.
The winner of this battle is determined entirely upon where the fight is.
Wolverine wont win every time, but he can win.
I tend to disagree. Comic books are not bound by the same CIS/PIS -ban that we use here and as such characters sometimes do rather idiotic things in furtherance of a story line or to fit within a writer's take of a character's personality. Honestly, do you really think a powerless Storm could beat Cyclops in a vs match here?
As to the issue of cover, I tend to think that while the settings could influence the outcome of the fight, I do not think may of the locations named would. Why? Well, in most cases Cyclops could remove any possible cover for Wolverine to hide behind in a matter of seconds. All he would have to do is take off his visor and spin in place. In other words, if the forest is a problem then Cyke can easily remove it:
Now, I'm also not sure that we have ever seen Wolverine take a full powered blast (such as the one above) from Cyclops before. I'm not totally convinced that Cyclops can't control the intensity of his blasts even with a visor to some degree. Not all such blasts seem to do as much damage as that one.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I tend to disagree. Comic books are not bound by the same CIS/PIS -ban that we use here and as such characters sometimes do rather idiotic things in furtherance of a story line or to fit within a writer's take of a character's personality. Honestly, do you really think a powerless Storm could beat Cyclops in a vs match here?As to the issue of cover, I tend to think that while the settings could influence the outcome of the fight, I do not think may of the locations named would. Why? Well, in most cases Cyclops could remove any possible cover for Wolverine to hide behind in a matter of seconds. All he would have to do is take off his visor and spin in place. In other words, if the forest is a problem then Cyke can easily remove it:
Now, I'm also not sure that we have ever seen Wolverine take a full powered blast (such as the one above) from Cyclops before. I'm not totally convinced that Cyclops can't control the intensity of his blasts even with a visor to some degree. Not all such blasts seem to do as much damage as that one.
I just wanna make some thign clear if ur calling wolverine taking direct hits from cyclopes pis and then showing a pic in which scot takes of his glasses and destroys haft a forest is beeing hypocritical since that is the only time scot has ever shown to be able to do such a thing.
Originally posted by riceroost
The winner of this battle is determined entirely upon where the fight is.Wolverine wont win every time, but he can win.
I tend to agree. Right kind of surroundings could give Logan the chance to attack Cyclops close range. It should be an area where there's plenty of places for Wolvie to hide in and there should be a reason as to why Cyclops can't clear himself a wide open space for safety.
By the way, I think the fight with Storm is a bad example of Cyclops' fighting skills since the point of the story was to show that Cyclops was not himself.
I'll say Cyclops 6 or 7/10
Originally posted by capt it up
I just wanna make some thign clear if ur calling wolverine taking direct hits from cyclopes pis and then showing a pic in which scot takes of his glasses and destroys haft a forest is beeing hypocritical since that is the only time scot has ever shown to be able to do such a thing.
I'm not calling it PIS, I'm merely suggesting that since in those instances where Wolverine supposedly takes a full powered blast from Cyclops the surrounding level of destruction didn't match what appears to be his max (as seen in the scan) then perhaps it is possible that Cyke can indeed control the power of his blast to some degree sans visor.
Now if you read my post carefully I stated that I was totally convinced, I didn't say what I was suggesting is 100% the truth just that it may be a possibility. Of course there may be scans out there that prove I'm wrong in which case I'd gladly admit so. But as an example does anyone have the full set of scan from Astonishing X-men where Cyke blasts Wolverine out of a window? I seem to remember (it has been a while since I've read that issue so I could be mistaken) that Cyke lifted up his glasses or visor and shot Wolverine, but the blast only knocked out a window and didn't seem to be extremely destructive. So I'm not sure that visor-less blast necessarily equal full powered blasts on Cyclops' part.
Originally posted by riceroost
Havok went after Logan in the forest. And he got beat. Havok is the same kind of fighter as Cyclops. And Havok is more deadly than Cyclops.
Havok isn't the same kind of fighter then Cyclops...
Besides, if you want to make it like that, Cyclops has already beaten Wolverine in a forest.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm not calling it PIS, I'm merely suggesting that since in those instances where Wolverine supposedly takes a full powered blast from Cyclops the surrounding level of destruction didn't match what appears to be his max (as seen in the scan) then perhaps it is possible that Cyke can indeed control the power of his blast to some degree sans visor.Now if you read my post carefully I stated that I was not totally convinced, I didn't say what I was suggesting is 100% the truth just that it may be a possibility. Of course there may be scans out there that prove I'm wrong in which case I'd gladly admit so. But as an example does anyone have the full set of scan from Astonishing X-men where Cyke blasts Wolverine out of a window? I seem to remember (it has been a while since I've read that issue so I could be mistaken) that Cyke lifted up his glasses or visor and shot Wolverine, but the blast only knocked out a window and didn't seem to be extremely destructive. So I'm not sure that visor-less blast necessarily equal full powered blasts on Cyclops' part.
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Okay first of all, no he wouldn't be able to dodge Cyclops' blast because:
1) The blasts are going at the speed of light.
2) All Cyclops has to do is LOOK at Wolverine and he's getting KO'd. It's not like a friggin' gun where you have to actually aim at something, Cyclops just has to look at Wolverine and he's dead. Besides, Wolverine has already been hit with Cyclops' blasts before.
Plus, if Cyclops does take off his visor, than Wolverine is DEFINITELY ko'd if not, then dead. Cyclops has leveled whole forests before. Cyclops' blasts would peel the flesh from Wolverine's bones and all that would be left is his shiny adamantium skeleton. Also, in AOA, Cyclops blew off Wolverine's hand and it didn't grow back. Besides, Cyclops' blasts have proven to be powerful enough to blast Sentinels back a quarter mile. Imagine how far Wolverine would go! And if by some magical reason (there really is no reason why) that Wolverine wouldn't get KO'd by Cyclops' blasts, then at least Cyclops could blast Wolverine far enough away to be considered BFR.
