Wolverine VS Cyclops

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay first of all, no he wouldn't be able to dodge Cyclops' blast because:

1) The blasts are going at the speed of light.
2) All Cyclops has to do is LOOK at Wolverine and he's getting KO'd. It's not like a friggin' gun where you have to actually aim at something, Cyclops just has to look at Wolverine and he's dead. Besides, Wolverine has already been hit with Cyclops' blasts before.

Plus, if Cyclops does take off his visor, than Wolverine is DEFINITELY ko'd if not, then dead. Cyclops has leveled whole forests before. Cyclops' blasts would peel the flesh from Wolverine's bones and all that would be left is his shiny adamantium skeleton. Also, in AOA, Cyclops blew off Wolverine's hand and it didn't grow back. Besides, Cyclops' blasts have proven to be powerful enough to blast Sentinels back a quarter mile. Imagine how far Wolverine would go! And if by some magical reason (there really is no reason why) that Wolverine wouldn't get KO'd by Cyclops' blasts, then at least Cyclops could blast Wolverine far enough away to be considered BFR.

only fanboy keep this thread goin they cant bare the thought of wolvie losing, it hurts a lot...all we can do is look and laugh as they come up with every excuses known to man why wolvie will win 😄

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay first of all, no he wouldn't be able to dodge Cyclops' blast because:

1) The blasts are going at the speed of light.
2) All Cyclops has to do is LOOK at Wolverine and he's getting KO'd. It's not like a friggin' gun where you have to actually aim at something, Cyclops just has to look at Wolverine and he's dead. Besides, Wolverine has already been hit with Cyclops' blasts before.

2) Again Wolverine can move so fast people can't see him move. In Tieri's run on Wolverine he had 5-7 gangsters surrounding him with their guns pointed at his head, point blank range. Their guns just start falling apart in their hands. Wolverine slashed all their guns and returned to his neutral stance so fast they didn't even know he had moved.
In the issue of Wolverine where he meets Epsilon Red trained soldiers are standing a good distance away from Wolverine with automatic weapons drawn and aimed at him. He turns around, dashes at them, slashes apart their weapons, and is on the other side of the room. They were not even able to register he had moved until their guns had hit the floor.

All Cyclops has to do is look at Wolverine, but within a certain distance Wolverine can move at a speed that exceeds a human's ability to follow with their eyes.

ie: If Wolverine gets within a certain distance of Cyclops, Scott is dead.

Originally posted by tiakocom
only fanboy keep this thread goin they cant bare the thought of wolvie losing, it hurts a lot...all we can do is look and laugh as they come up with every excuses known to man why wolvie will win 😄

Originally posted by riceroost
Obviously Wolverine couldn't beat Cyclops every time. We have no problem admitting this. Try reading the whole post.

trust me man i have and I'm not denyin the fact that wolvie can win some but the majority goes to cyclops in my opinion...and I really dont wanna go into an argument cuz for me this threads has gone long enough

Originally posted by TheKahn
As to the issue of cover, I tend to think that while the settings could influence the outcome of the fight, I do not think may of the locations named would. Why? Well, in most cases Cyclops could remove any possible cover for Wolverine to hide behind in a matter of seconds. All he would have to do is take off his visor and spin in place. In other words, if the forest is a problem then Cyke can easily remove it

1) Cyclops could kill hundreds of people doing this.
2) He would put his own team mates in jeapordy.
3) He would still have to search through the remains of whatever he destroys, which will provide Wolverine with a place to heal and hide.

i sti;; think wolvy would win but it would be a close fight since it has been shown he can dodge some blast but i thibe one nk he might dodge may but that would give him enogh time to get closer and cykes next blast wouldnt be full powered and it might nock wolvy back 5 feet and he could get up quickly and get closer and might get blasted a few times more but he has a healing factor remenber so he would eventually going to get close enough and slash him and then it is all over

damm, wolive does not heal instantly! Esspecially from a optic blasts.
scott wins 8/10

true but wolverine is one tough mutant and will probly be able to ake an optic blast im not saying he could just shrug it off but he has been shown to be tough enogh to probly be able to take an optic blast and then add the healing factor he will most likly be able to togh it out

Originally posted by riceroost
Again, only problem with this tactic is:

1) Cyclops could kill hundreds of people doing this.
2) He would put his own team mates in jeapordy.
3) He would still have to search through the remains of whatever he destroys, which will provide Wolverine with a place to heal and hide.

1) Your assuming there are hundreds of people around if/when scott busts a huge optic blast
2) This is Wolverine vs Cyclops no one else so thats moot
3) He could just blow everything to bits why waste time looking............

The likelyhood of Wolverine pulling off greater then 1-2 wins is very slim, VERY SLIM.

Originally posted by Soleran
1) Your assuming there are hundreds of people around if/when scott busts a huge optic blast
2) This is Wolverine vs Cyclops no one else so thats moot
3) He could just blow everything to bits why waste time looking............

The likelyhood of Wolverine pulling off greater then 1-2 wins is very slim, VERY SLIM.

Cyclops isn't going to use a forest clearing optic blast every 2 seconds. He never has. And while he's blasting downed trees he risks being snuck up on. Remember that Ninja pimp-ness.

I find it hard to believe Wolverine could only win once in a series of 10 fights with Cyclops when depowered Storm is batting 1000 against him. Especially when Wolverine has taken out Havok with a dodge and a swipe.

Anyway, all this Cyclops would kill him talk isn't really based on a lot of actual fights. These 2 have never really had any 1on1 battles without some very extenuating circomstances.

-Wolverine is badly *ucked up. (Proteus)
-Wolverine is fighting many people. (Enemy of the State)
-Wolverine is mind controlled. (Sauron)
-Wolverine is blatantly letting Scott blast him. (Astonishing/Ultimate)

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright, let's see if I can work with what little you give me.

-Scott's blast does not have any heat, correct. No stronger than a Hulk punch? Really, that's debatable, since they've never really been compared. That, and they're two completely different things.

-AOA Wolverine was still bonded to Adamantium in the SAME DAMN WAY he is in 616. His bonding process took place before the AOA timeline would have even started. So really, this is very much relevent and has everything to do with this reality. If Scott can do it there, he can do it in 616.

-Wolverine has walked through plasma blasts. I'm not disagreeing. But what you're not seeing is that Havok's plasma blasts are NOT CONCUSSIVE. They're just plain heat basically. Cyke's blasts will send Wolverine flying.

-Yes, Wolverine has dodged lasers before. But I think I've seen Wolverine dodge Cyke's blasts oh....ONCE. He's been hit every other time. Yes, yes, here comes the "but he was under mind control!" "But he wasn't ready for the attack!" "But he was letting Cyke hit him!" I have an idea to make this fair. Let's both tie up and blindfold Cyclops so he can't see anything, and face him against a fully-prepared, ready-to-do-battle Wolverine. I think that should be fair.

-And I know you didn't bring this up, but if Wolverine is 10 feet away or farther, he's screwed everytime. Cyclops mops the floor with him even at this distance. WOLVERINE IS NOT FASTER THAN THOUGHT.

You know, honestly, it's not even that fun anymore. Debates are supposed to be intelligent. You don't listen to what anyone says ("yes I do! I always listen to what other people say!" yea yea, blah blah) and you just keep repeating the same damn lines over and over again, thinking that it may convince us the next time around. With you, it's like trying to teach a stubborn child that the stove is hot. After awhile, it's just not even worth it.

Cyclops 9/10.

Originally posted by riceroost
95% of the time superheroes fight there are other people around. They dont go out into the middle of the desert to have a fight. Half the time they do it in the middle of a city.

Cyclops isn't going to use a forest clearing optic blast every 2 seconds. He never has. And while he's blasting downed trees he risks being snuck up on. Remember that Ninja pimp-ness.

I find it hard to believe Wolverine could only win once in a series of 10 fights with Cyclops when depowered Storm is batting 1000 against him. Especially when Wolverine has taken out Havok with a dodge and a swipe.

Anyway, all this Cyclops would kill him talk isn't really based on a lot of actual fights. These 2 have never really had any 1on1 battles without some very extenuating circomstances.

-Wolverine is badly *ucked up. (Proteus)
-Wolverine is fighting many people. (Enemy of the State)
-Wolverine is mind controlled. (Sauron)
-Wolverine is blatantly letting Scott blast him. (Astonishing/Ultimate)

You are using some crazy, flawed logic here.

This fight is between Cyclops and Wolverine. That means it is just these two. It's a hypothetical situation that places them, alone, on a specified battlefield. What does this mean? It means it's just them. No innocent bystanders around.

Also:

-The powerless-Storm is completely irrelevent.
-Cyclops has blasted Wolverine in Ultimate when Wolverine didn't want it/expecting it, too.
-Havok's power is different than Cyclops'. Perhaps this knowledge will clear some things up for you.

Wolverine will never get close to Cyke. Just live with it.

Originally posted by riceroost

-Wolverine is badly *ucked up. (Proteus)
-Wolverine is fighting many people. (Enemy of the State)
-Wolverine is mind controlled. (Sauron)
-Wolverine is blatantly letting Scott blast him. (Astonishing/Ultimate)

You know what, Wolverine doesn't have positive showings against Cyclops the Cyclops has against Wolverine. Like it, Love it, Hate it, it doesn't matter it is what it is and once again Wolverine maybe gets 1-2 wins.

This is a bloodlusted Cyclops that will do anything for a win even kill, so later Wolverine.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You are using some crazy, flawed logic here.

This fight is between Cyclops and Wolverine. That means it is just these two. It's a hypothetical situation that places them, alone, on a specified battlefield. What does this mean? It means it's just them. No innocent bystanders around.

Also:

-The powerless-Storm is completely irrelevent.
-Cyclops has blasted Wolverine in Ultimate when Wolverine didn't want it/expecting it, too.
-Havok's power is different than Cyclops'. Perhaps this knowledge will clear some things up for you.

Wolverine will never get close to Cyke. Just live with it.

😆 Yeah right. He'll never be able to live with it. 😛

Originally posted by batdude123
😆 Yeah right. He'll never be able to live with it. 😛

Eh, worth a shot. 😛

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Eh, worth a shot. 😛

😆

Why is this thread still going? We all know who should win...

yeah you know who should but who will actually win. In that Ultimate Fight between Wolvie and Cyke, Cyke blasted wolvie through the wall then all you heard was Snikt, then Wolvie was in Scott's face in an instant claws out swinging and Scott was terrified Wolvie was Peed-off. If it wasn't for Prof. X Scott would be dead even Prof. X even said it. X froze Wolvie in mid air right before he was going strike Scott in the face.

the same ultimate x-men where cyclops is a depowered, cocky, naive, tactless teenager and wolverine has is healing factor and fighting skills increased?

yeah, that seems relevant.

Originally posted by Nova Angel
yeah you know who should but who will actually win. In that Ultimate Fight between Wolvie and Cyke, Cyke blasted wolvie through the wall then all you heard was Snikt, then Wolvie was in Scott's face in an instant claws out swinging and Scott was terrified Wolvie was Peed-off. If it wasn't for Prof. X Scott would be dead even Prof. X even said it. X froze Wolvie in mid air right before he was going strike Scott in the face.

* yes, and take a look at that comic again... Cyke got a crystal clear shot on Logan... Professor X just came in the nick of time not just to save Cyke but also Logan... if Logan did not froze in mid-air, he'll definitely eat optic blast squarely... Cyke wins 9/10... 😉