Originally posted by jasonk3
[QUOTE=7692159]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]* Cyke is a strategist and tactician, he knows his capabilities, durability and stamina... judging by your argument, Cyke would KO Logan before Cyke gets worn out...* Logan and Omega Red are both capable of enduring long battles, fighting for 18 hours or more is not a surprise...
yea Cyclops is a good tactician but wolverine is better. For ex in Wolverine vol. 1 #51 Forge noted wolverine's physical and mental state is the "equivalent of an Olympic-level gymnast performing a gold medal routine whilst simultaneously beating four chess computers in his head
* Logan was back a few minutes later... what if Cyke decided not to give Logan a few minutes? think about that, okay?
What do you think cyclops would stand their and constantly blast wolverine's body all day? he doesn't have that much energy u kno. So think about that, Okay?
* if it's not, what is? 😕
Like i said, every time a character does something outside his limits it is overlooked, and there are many comic book characters that do things that are beyond their powers, but for some reason sum ppl start complainin when wolverine does something that seems like it beyond his capibilities.
Originally posted by jasonk3
[QUOTE=7692159]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]
What do you think cyclops would stand their and constantly blast wolverine's body all day? he doesn't have that much energy u kno. So think about that, Okay?
Originally posted by Accel
What did Cyclops do outside his limits?
Im not talking about cyclops particularily, im just saying when other comic book characters do something which seems beyond their capabilites, people dont make a big deal out of it, thats why im saying their is no reason of jus saying pis every time wolverine does things out of character.
Originally posted by jasonk3
yea Cyclops is a good tactician but wolverine is better. For ex in Wolverine vol. 1 #51 Forge noted wolverine's physical and mental state is the "equivalent of an Olympic-level gymnast performing a gold medal routine whilst simultaneously beating four chess computers in his head
* that's the big difference, Cyke being a strategist and a tactician can do various things, most obvious is the ranged weapon advantage, plus Cyke's uncanny ability of spacial awareness... whereas, Logan being a strategist and a tactician can do nothing but eat the blasts...
Originally posted by jasonk3
What do you think cyclops would stand their and constantly blast wolverine's body all day? he doesn't have that much energy u kno. So think about that, Okay?
* oh yeah, Cyke's body is constantly absorbing solar energy, how about that, buddy? but as far as know, it's Logan's healing factor that can hit overdrive...
Originally posted by jasonk3
Like i said, every time a character does something outside his limits it is overlooked, and there are many comic book characters that do things that are beyond their powers, but for some reason sum ppl start complainin when wolverine does something that seems like it beyond his capibilities.
Originally posted by jasonk3
Im not talking about cyclops particularily, im just saying when other comic book characters do something which seems beyond their capabilites, people dont make a big deal out of it, thats why im saying their is no reason of jus saying pis every time wolverine does things out of character.
* if Cyke does not do something outside his limits, what's the point of complaining? 😕
[QUOTE=7692427]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]* that's the big difference, Cyke being a strategist and a tactician can do various things, most obvious is the ranged weapon advantage, plus Cyke's uncanny ability of spacial awareness... whereas, Logan being a strategist and a tactician can do nothing but eat the blasts...
Actually yes wolverine can, you see, wolverine can dodge cyclops's blast. we know he's fast enough, and when cyclops goes all out he is actually disadvantaged because he can only see where he's blasting in the direction he takes of his visor. If wolverine Moves away from that then its lights out for cyclops
* oh yeah, Cyke's body is constantly absorbing solar energy, how about that, buddy? but as far as know, it's Logan's healing factor that can hit overdrive...
right but is he gonna stand their for 24 hrs blasting wolverine,
Originally posted by jasonk3
[QUOTE=7692427]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]right but is he gonna stand their for 24 hrs blasting wolverine,
Originally posted by jasonk3
yes but he needs great distance for that....do u honestly belive wolverine is gonna start a fight from 20 miles away
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5779706
From 2 feet away, ...
Originally posted by jasonk3
[QUOTE=7692159]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]* Cyke is a strategist and tactician, he knows his capabilities, durability and stamina... judging by your argument, Cyke would KO Logan before Cyke gets worn out...* Logan and Omega Red are both capable of enduring long battles, fighting for 18 hours or more is not a surprise...
yea Cyclops is a good tactician but wolverine is better. For ex in Wolverine vol. 1 #51 Forge noted wolverine's physical and mental state is the "equivalent of an Olympic-level gymnast performing a gold medal routine whilst simultaneously beating four chess computers in his head
* Logan was back a few minutes later... what if Cyke decided not to give Logan a few minutes? think about that, okay?
What do you think cyclops would stand their and constantly blast wolverine's body all day? he doesn't have that much energy u kno. So think about that, Okay?
* if it's not, what is? 😕
Like i said, every time a character does something outside his limits it is overlooked, and there are many comic book characters that do things that are beyond their powers, but for some reason sum ppl start complainin when wolverine does something that seems like it beyond his capibilities.
Stated by Wolverine himself:
"The kid's name is Scott Summers. By 'kid' I'm talking about the mutant with the ruby quartz visor...You wouldn't know it to look at Summers, but he may be one of the most powerful mutants on the face of the planet. Not just 'cause of the optic blast he developed in his teens. That's impressive and all, sure- the guy can damn near punch a hole in a mountain just by starin' at it. But no, his real power has got nothin' to do with his mutant abilities. The guy's a leader- a natural born a leader as there ever was. Like his namesake, Cyclops he sees the world in a singular vision; Heroes win Villians lose. In his world where everything is tinted red, he still manages to see things in black and white. Yeah, I've been known to give him a hard time- maybe more than once-but even an old warhorse like me knows a leader when I see one. And this Scott Summers, the guy in change of the X-men? I'd follow him into Hell if he said he needed me."
- from X-men 112"
Call me crazy, but it sure sounds like Wolverine blatantly says that Cyke is by far the best tactician/leader he knows.
And why wouldn't Cyke just stand there blasting Wolverine all day? The dimension he draws his power from his limitless. And it takes him a LONG time to get exhausted. Wolverine will have already been KOed LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG before Cyke gets exhausted though. So that point is moot.
Cyke wins 10/10.
Originally posted by jasonk3
[QUOTE=7692427]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]* that's the big difference, Cyke being a strategist and a tactician can do various things, most obvious is the ranged weapon advantage, plus Cyke's uncanny ability of spacial awareness... whereas, Logan being a strategist and a tactician can do nothing but eat the blasts...Actually yes wolverine can, you see, wolverine can dodge cyclops's blast. we know he's fast enough, and when cyclops goes all out he is actually disadvantaged because he can only see where he's blasting in the direction he takes of his visor. If wolverine Moves away from that then its lights out for cyclops
* oh yeah, Cyke's body is constantly absorbing solar energy, how about that, buddy? but as far as know, it's Logan's healing factor that can hit overdrive...
right but is he gonna stand their for 24 hrs blasting wolverine,
I'm going to say this as nicely as possible.
You clearly don't know anything about Cyclops. Really, no offense. It's cool. Everyone doesn't have to know everything about every character. However, before you start making claims, at least bone up on your characters a bit more first.
If you did, you'd see that there is no way Wolverine is dodging anything that Cyke really wants to hit him with.
Cyke only needs to blast him continuously for like...1 minute at the most in order to KO Logan. 😐
Originally posted by rotiart
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5779706From 2 feet away, ...
You taking that fight out of context, wolverine and night crwler were not in the proper mental state because of the enemy they fought earleir.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm going to say this as nicely as possible.You clearly don't know anything about Cyclops. Really, no offense. It's cool. Everyone doesn't have to know everything about every character. However, before you start making claims, at least bone up on your characters a bit more first.
If you did, you'd see that there is no way Wolverine is dodging anything that Cyke really wants to hit him with.
Cyke only needs to blast him continuously for like...1 minute at the most in order to KO Logan. 😐
While i appreciate ure polite tone, i think ure the one who needs to realize that whatever cyclops throws at wolverine isn't enough, since he has stood up to much worst, and yes at times he has been one shotted, but at the same time he has withstood far worst. That is the reason he gives cyclops the muramasa blade in origins, because it is the only think that can truly kill him.
Originally posted by jasonk3
While i appreciate ure polite tone, i think ure the one who needs to realize that whatever cyclops throws at wolverine isn't enough, since he has stood up to much worst, and yes at times he has been one shotted, but at the same time he has withstood far worst. That is the reason he gives cyclops the muramasa blade in origins, because it is the only think that can truly kill him.
Sigh. Alright then.
Here's what Cyke can do.
Using his extremely uncanny speed and accuracy--
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xf030a6pi.jpg
http://www.myonlineimages.com/Members/pr1983/images/coin.jpg
--Cyke can shoot Wolverine's eyes right out. Or his organs. Right through him. Temporarily blinded, Wolverine is at his mercy.
Do you really think Wolverine can take this kind blast--
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigopticblastdg4.jpg
--and be alright? Really? Do you truly think that? THE blast the cracked ONSLAUGHT'S armor?
😑
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sigh. Alright then.Here's what Cyke can do.
Using his extremely uncanny speed and accuracy--
http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xf030a6pi.jpg
http://www.myonlineimages.com/Members/pr1983/images/coin.jpg
--Cyke can shoot Wolverine's eyes right out. Or his organs. Right through him. Temporarily blinded, Wolverine is at his mercy.Do you really think Wolverine can take this kind blast--
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigopticblastdg4.jpg
--and be alright? Really? Do you truly think that? THE blast the cracked ONSLAUGHT'S armor?😑
Anybody seen scans of Wolverine dodging Cylops' blasts? Next page shows him making his blasts deflect back against Cyclops. That was pretty badass. I was rummaging through this comic for Wolverine vs. Cap stuff, but I figured I'd throw this bone to the Wolvie fans.
BTW, 5/10 split for these two IMHO.
