Originally posted by Never
So many incorrect comments here.Surfer has possessed the power cosmic for HOW long? More than a few years. The power cosmic has provided him with the ability to rearrange matter since what, when it was a $.25 comic book?
Thor does NOT always use Mjolnir to Mjolnir's fullest ability. One of the great knocks against Thor is that he RARELY uses ALL of his talents to their fullest abilities. Using Mjolnir to nullify/absorb energy is ONE example of using Mjolnir to its fullest ability. How often has Thor done that? Yes, I know.
Thor is NOT "more durable" than Silver Surfer. Surfer's body is damn near indestructible as is his surfboard. They are composed of the same material.
Virtually equal invulnerability? LMAO, Thor has NEVER been "invulnerable." If so, why did Superman damn near MELT his ass? Why does Hulk knock him out on SO many occasions? Why did he damn near destroy himself when he was fighting Jormungand? Why did Hela destroy most of his face? That's not an example of being "invulnerable," potna.
Surfer is MORE versatile, MORE powerful, FASTER, and probably STRONGER. Thor is not as strong as The Hulk at full potential, and Surfer's strength RIVAL's Hulk's.
...and Surfer "never went into bloodlust mode" technically? Heh, someone needs to read more comic books.
Yeah I read Surfer a few years ago, and whatever rearranging power he had was not 'let me snap my fingers and turn everyone into dolls.' People have claimed he has NEW powers of rearranging matter. He did not have that power when I read it. Period. Don't tell me he could do that because he couldn't.
I never said Thor uses Mjolnir to its fullest ability, I don't know if you're quoting me or not, but new Thor doesn't even need the hammer. The early fights of Thor and Hulk were stalemates, I don't recall any recent ones, but Thor has increased significantly in power, ergo Hulk does not pound his ass. The Superman/Thor match-up was an asinine crossover, they all are. Spider-Man smacked Superman around for 3 or 4 pages in one. You can't criticize Thor's powers when he goes up against other Asgardian gods. They all rival his powers too. I never said Thor was invulnerable, but neither is Surfer. Surfer is NOT stronger than Thor. Period. Thor's strength and Hulk's DO rival one another, but the issue in question about that is that Hulk's strength has yet to find a real limit since it can increase every friggin' issue. Thor is stronger than Surfer. Period. Surfer is faster yes.
I didn't make the bloodlust comment, so I don't have a comment on that, but Thor beat his ass when he was classic Thor, he'd beat his ass in about half the time now.
Originally posted by Ponem
meh, arguing arguing..I just did some looking around, and well;The Silver Surfer beat Thor way back when in the early days of SS vol. 1, Stan Lee himself wrote this.
The Surfer killed Thor, one on one, in an alternate reality. Although Thor did crack open the SS's chest in the process. It wasn't fatal, but it sure hurt him pretty damned bad.
The SS was holding back and got batted around a bit by Warrior Madness Thor with the power gem. He was also pretty much evil because of that evil Valkyrie. Not a win.
So SS takes it. Are we done?
Surfer beat Thor in his own magazine. Man-Thing beat the Hulk in his own magazine, anyone here want to argue that Man-Thing is stronger than Hulk? No? The title character generally wins. Surfer won in his, Thor won in his. Holding back? Who's to say Thor wasn't holding back? He usually does considering he fights in a 'way-too noble, mustn't do what I actually can do because it wouldn't be appropriate' manner.
Alternate realities? Punisher beat everyone in alternate realities. You actually think that argument works? Thor doesn't have any 'warrior madness' now, he's just more powerful. He doesn't need Mjolnir, he has Odinforce and he has mastered Asgardian runes. He beat Loki without even blinking, in the old days it was a hard-fought match. Thor has few equals anymore. He takes it. Are we done?
No. We'll never be done.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Surfer beat Thor in his own magazine. Man-Thing beat the Hulk in his own magazine, anyone here want to argue that Man-Thing is stronger than Hulk? No? The title character generally wins. Surfer won in his, Thor won in his. Holding back? Who's to say Thor wasn't holding back? He usually does considering he fights in a 'way-too noble, mustn't do what I actually can do because it wouldn't be appropriate' manner.Alternate realities? Punisher beat everyone in alternate realities. You actually think that argument works? Thor doesn't have any 'warrior madness' now, he's just more powerful. He doesn't need Mjolnir, he has Odinforce and he has mastered Asgardian runes. He beat Loki without even blinking, in the old days it was a hard-fought match. Thor has few equals anymore. He takes it. Are we done?
No. We'll never be done.
Even Strange can take Loki, so can fate, without doubt. Loki really aint that big a deal anymore.
Thor in his current state is a SkyFather, he can take down a well-fed Galactus, let alone what he'd do to a herald. But it was stated that this is classic Thor, not current Thor 🙂 Not that it matters XD
No he isn't. He gave up his Odin powers. Still, Classic Thor is stronger than anyone in the Marvel Universe, and on par with Hulk. When Stan and several other of the 'founding fathers' were asked which was stronger, they usually gave a cop-out answer or said 'they're pretty equal' until they finally said 'Hulk gets stronger when he's angry' which translates to 'we haven't decided how strong he is yet. Ask us tomorrow.' Still, Surfer is not that strong. I put him three or four among heroes in strength, after Hulk, Thor, and Aunt May.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
No he isn't. He gave up his Odin powers. Still, Classic Thor is stronger than anyone in the Marvel Universe, and on par with Hulk. When Stan and several other of the 'founding fathers' were asked which was stronger, they usually gave a cop-out answer or said 'they're pretty equal' until they finally said 'Hulk gets stronger when he's angry' which translates to 'we haven't decided how strong he is yet. Ask us tomorrow.' Still, Surfer is not that strong. I put him three or four among heroes in strength, after Hulk, Thor, and Aunt May.
I am not sure of that at all, classic Thor is powerfull, but i doubt he beats everything else in the MU...I'd like to see him take on LT, see what happens 😛
Originally posted by Wynndar
do u understand that Surfer starts at superhuman class 100 strength and can augment it with cosmic energy as he sees fit...once she hulk hit him in the face and he didnt move a centimeter...and she hulk just walked off rubbing her fist
surfer is at least Thor's equal in strength
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Yeah I read Surfer a few years ago, and whatever rearranging power he had was not 'let me snap my fingers and turn everyone into dolls.' People have claimed he has NEW powers of rearranging matter. He did not have that power when I read it. Period. Don't tell me he could do that because he couldn't.
I could care less WHEN you read Silver Surfer - he ALWAYS had the ability of rearranging matter. He CANNOT transmute ELEMENTS. LoL @ "new powers."
I never said Thor uses Mjolnir to its fullest ability, I don't know if you're quoting me or not, but new Thor doesn't even need the hammer.
If I was quoting you, I'd use the nifty "quote" tag.
The early fights of Thor and Hulk were stalemates, I don't recall any recent ones, but Thor has increased significantly in power, ergo Hulk does not pound his ass.
Speaking of quotes, quote where I said that Hulk pounds King Thor.
The Superman/Thor match-up was an asinine crossover, they all are.
You are entitled to your rather asinine opinion.
Spider-Man smacked Superman around for 3 or 4 pages in one.
Most of us know bullchit when we spot it.
You can't criticize Thor's powers when he goes up against other Asgardian gods. They all rival his powers too.
LMAO, they all do not. Tyr's powers rival Thor's? Case closed.
I never said Thor was invulnerable, but neither is Surfer.
Quote where I quoted that you did.
Surfer is NOT stronger than Thor. Period.
Prove it.
Thor's strength and Hulk's DO rival one another, but the issue in question about that is that Hulk's strength has yet to find a real limit since it can increase every friggin' issue.
Hulk is in a strength class ALL of his own.
I didn't make the bloodlust comment, so I don't have a comment on that, but Thor beat his ass when he was classic Thor, he'd beat his ass in about half the time now.
I could not really care less about opinions on whether or not Thor can beat Silver Surfer (who is....*drumroll* a PACIFIST) considering I said, QUOTE:
Thor always beats Silver Surfer. He simply is not more POWERFUL. <---------------------------------------
And Classic Thor is NOT stronger than "anyone in the Marvel Universe." PLEASE.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
She-Hulk? Lol, Spider-Man beat She-Hulk. Besides, he doesn't start at Class 100, the power cosmic gives him up to Class 100.
For those who are misled by the dubious phrasing here, Class 100 is not a ceiling. It is a category. Silver Surfer can lift, quote:
Hence, he can endow himself with Class 100 strength, enabling him to lift (press) well over 100 tons.
WELL over 100 tons.
And hell, both Kurse AND Surtur are stronger than "Classic Thor," and that is for STARTERS. I also forget the name of the new character in Marvel (it begins with an "S"😉 who is allegedly the most powerful.
Originally posted by Never
So many incorrect comments here.To the individual who CLAIMS that Surfer cannot "rearrange matter" but turns around a split second later and admits that he "has not read Surfer in a few years..."
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Surfer has possessed the power cosmic for HOW long? More than a few years. The power cosmic has provided him with the ability to rearrange matter since what, when it was a $.25 comic book?
Thor does NOT always use Mjolnir to Mjolnir's fullest ability. One of the great knocks against Thor is that he RARELY uses ALL of his talents to their fullest abilities. Using Mjolnir to nullify/absorb energy is ONE example of using Mjolnir to its fullest ability. How often has Thor done that? Yes, I know.
Thor is NOT "more durable" than Silver Surfer. Surfer's body is damn near indestructible as is his surfboard. They are composed of the same material.
Virtually equal invulnerability? LMAO, Thor has NEVER been "invulnerable." If so, why did Superman damn near MELT his ass? Why does Hulk knock him out on SO many occasions? Why did he damn near destroy himself when he was fighting Jormungand? Why did Hela destroy most of his face? That's not an example of being "invulnerable," potna.
No matter what any of you say - The Power Cosmic > the power that Thor wields.
Surfer is MORE versatile, MORE powerful, FASTER, and probably STRONGER. Thor is not as strong as The Hulk at full potential, and Surfer's strength RIVAL's Hulk's.
Thor just happens to be a better h2h fighter than Surfer is, but is that saying much? Radd is a PACIFIST.
...and Surfer "never went into bloodlust mode" technically? Heh, someone needs to read more comic books.
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