Thor has increased in power greatly since the old days. He can use magic on a level comparable to Dr. Strange, he doesn't need Mjolnir much at all, and he goes back and forth with the OdinForce. He is vastly more powerful than Classic Thor. I haven't read Surfer in years, but I don't buy that 'rearranges matter' crap, otherwise he could cause great disruption in the space-time continuim. I imagine the 'rearranging matter' is mis-read or misunderstood by whomever clings to that power. I guarantee you it's very limited. Again, Thor is just too powerful to be stopped by anyone below Thanos or Galactus.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Thor has increased in power greatly since the old days. He can use magic on a level comparable to Dr. Strange, he doesn't need Mjolnir much at all, and he goes back and forth with the OdinForce. He is vastly more powerful than Classic Thor. I haven't read Surfer in years, but I don't buy that 'rearranges matter' crap, otherwise he could cause great disruption in the space-time continuim. I imagine the 'rearranging matter' is mis-read or misunderstood by whomever clings to that power. I guarantee you it's very limited. Again, Thor is just too powerful to be stopped by anyone below Thanos or Galactus.
wait...u just dont believe?...nothing to back it up?...u just dont like it?
I don't believe people's interpretations of the 'rearranging matter.' People use that as though Surfer has the power to snap his fingers and turn someone into a paperweight or something. If it worked like that, he would be able to destroy the multiverse.
As for Thor, I compared him to Strange because he's the master of magic. Not all gods use magic, Loki does, but most others don't. Thor only recently studied the Asgardian runes that gave him mastery over magic.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
I don't believe people's interpretations of the 'rearranging matter.' People use that as though Surfer has the power to snap his fingers and turn someone into a paperweight or something.
You don´t have to believe in us, you can buy the comics and find out for yourself.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
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If it worked like that, he would be able to destroy the multiverse.
maybe thats why they don´t show that power all the time, its like the blood thing that magneto can do (controlling the iron in blood, etc). you know its real, you have seen it happen, but it doesn´t happen all the time (at least against worthy opponents, probably because the fight would end quickly something the writers don´t want).
Originally posted by norrin radd
You don´t have to believe in us, you can buy the comics and find out for yourself.maybe thats why they don´t show that power all the time, its like the blood thing that magneto can do (controlling the iron in blood, etc). you know its real, you have seen it happen, but it doesn´t happen all the time (at least against worthy opponents, probably because the fight would end quickly something the writers don´t want).
And that's not a cop-out to you? I realize the 'fun' of comics, but for a character to have that power, the fun is removed. I haven't read Surfer in a few years, so I don't know his new powers, however, I'm sure you realize the powers change with the writers. Chances are when a better writer comes along, he will make it so that Surfer cannot just 'snap his fingers and rearrange matter' *if that is indeed the case as you claim.* He'll realize the absurdity in that.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
And that's not a cop-out to you? I realize the 'fun' of comics, but for a character to have that power, the fun is removed. I haven't read Surfer in a few years, so I don't know his new powers, however, I'm sure you realize the powers change with the writers. Chances are when a better writer comes along, he will make it so that Surfer cannot just 'snap his fingers and rearrange matter' *if that is indeed the case as you claim.* He'll realize the absurdity in that.
i don´t think it´s absurd, we are talking about cosmic beings.
Heh..heh. Normal Thor with Bloodlust stomps Surfer no doubt, Surfer has just as much chance of winning with bloodlust, but we will never know since he "technically" never went into that mode, im pretty sure Surfer and Thor would shatter some planets if they both went full out against each other.
Fun fact; I read that list and it is total shit, to the guy who posted it; Why is it purely based on power? I can remember an Enraged Hulk stomping Onlsaught and breaking his shit in one single blow..now who's more powerfull? In truth HULK is the most powerfull beeing in the universe next to the celestials/cosmics. He could probably beat Thor, wait; He did.
So many incorrect comments here.
To the individual who CLAIMS that Surfer cannot "rearrange matter" but turns around a split second later and admits that he "has not read Surfer in a few years..."
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Surfer has possessed the power cosmic for HOW long? More than a few years. The power cosmic has provided him with the ability to rearrange matter since what, when it was a $.25 comic book?
Thor does NOT always use Mjolnir to Mjolnir's fullest ability. One of the great knocks against Thor is that he RARELY uses ALL of his talents to their fullest abilities. Using Mjolnir to nullify/absorb energy is ONE example of using Mjolnir to its fullest ability. How often has Thor done that? Yes, I know.
Thor is NOT "more durable" than Silver Surfer. Surfer's body is damn near indestructible as is his surfboard. They are composed of the same material.
Virtually equal invulnerability? LMAO, Thor has NEVER been "invulnerable." If so, why did Superman damn near MELT his ass? Why does Hulk knock him out on SO many occasions? Why did he damn near destroy himself when he was fighting Jormungand? Why did Hela destroy most of his face? That's not an example of being "invulnerable," potna.
No matter what any of you say - The Power Cosmic > the power that Thor wields.
Surfer is MORE versatile, MORE powerful, FASTER, and probably STRONGER. Thor is not as strong as The Hulk at full potential, and Surfer's strength RIVAL's Hulk's.
Thor just happens to be a better h2h fighter than Surfer is, but is that saying much? Radd is a PACIFIST.
...and Surfer "never went into bloodlust mode" technically? Heh, someone needs to read more comic books.
Originally posted by Never
So many incorrect comments here.To the individual who CLAIMS that Surfer cannot "rearrange matter" but turns around a split second later and admits that he "has not read Surfer in a few years..."
😆
Surfer has possessed the power cosmic for HOW long? More than a few years. The power cosmic has provided him with the ability to rearrange matter since what, when it was a $.25 comic book?
Thor does NOT always use Mjolnir to Mjolnir's fullest ability. One of the great knocks against Thor is that he RARELY uses ALL of his talents to their fullest abilities. Using Mjolnir to nullify/absorb energy is ONE example of using Mjolnir to its fullest ability. How often has Thor done that? Yes, I know.
Thor is NOT "more durable" than Silver Surfer. Surfer's body is damn near indestructible as is his surfboard. They are composed of the same material.
Virtually equal invulnerability? LMAO, Thor has NEVER been "invulnerable." If so, why did Superman damn near MELT his ass? Why does Hulk knock him out on SO many occasions? Why did he damn near destroy himself when he was fighting Jormungand? Why did Hela destroy most of his face? That's not an example of being "invulnerable," potna.
No matter what any of you say - The Power Cosmic > the power that Thor wields.
Surfer is MORE versatile, MORE powerful, FASTER, and probably STRONGER. Thor is not as strong as The Hulk at full potential, and Surfer's strength RIVAL's Hulk's.
Thor just happens to be a better h2h fighter than Surfer is, but is that saying much? Radd is a PACIFIST.
...and Surfer "never went into bloodlust mode" technically? Heh, someone needs to read more comic books.
Thats all dandy, but you DO know that Thor beat Surfer at one point in time? yes, this was normal Thor T_T
Originally posted by Ponem
Thats all dandy, but you DO know that Thor beat Surfer at one point in time? yes, this was normal Thor T_T
Um, the most cursory glance at my response reveals that.
"Thor just happens to be a better h2h fighter than Surfer is, but is that saying much? Radd is a PACIFIST."
Thor always beats Silver Surfer. He simply is not more POWERFUL. Duh, Spiderman beat Firelord (since we are discussing one-time heralds). Is he more POWERFUL? NO.
And apparently you never read the Galactus/Darkseid crossover wherein a pissed-off (or um, as you say, "bloodlust"😉 Silver Surfer damn near killed Orion who would knock Thor unconscious with but a FART.
Originally posted by Never
Um, the most cursory glance at my response reveals that."Thor just happens to be a better h2h fighter than Surfer is, but is that saying much? Radd is a PACIFIST."
Thor always beats Silver Surfer. He simply is not more POWERFUL. Duh, Spiderman beat Firelord (since we are discussing one-time heralds). Is he more POWERFUL? NO.
And apparently you never read the Galactus/Darkseid crossover wherein a pissed-off (or um, as you say, "bloodlust"😉 Silver Surfer damn near killed Orion who would knock Thor unconscious with but a FART.
The Galactus/DarkSeid cross is max Silver Surfer, you cant match a max Surfer against a non-max Thor, who beat Surfer and Warlock together 🙂 Mjolnir is pretty much all Thor would need any given day x_x
But i already stated i believe Surfer would win..And i am aware of his full power 🙂
meh, arguing arguing..I just did some looking around, and well;
The Silver Surfer beat Thor way back when in the early days of SS vol. 1, Stan Lee himself wrote this.
The Surfer killed Thor, one on one, in an alternate reality. Although Thor did crack open the SS's chest in the process. It wasn't fatal, but it sure hurt him pretty damned bad.
The SS was holding back and got batted around a bit by Warrior Madness Thor with the power gem. He was also pretty much evil because of that evil Valkyrie. Not a win.
So SS takes it. Are we done?