Originally posted by quanchi112
Same powerset, but I do see Superman as capable of a lot more. The point is Thor has shown himself capable of a lot more power than Bill has. It's also how they wield their powers.
u didn't answer my question..i think BRB have been state to be Thor equals..though i could be mistaken..
but have Supergirl ever been state to be Supes equals??
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThey been comapred to have equal power few times.
Why do people think that BRB = Thor?They equal each other in the same sense that Superman = Superman Prime (though probably not to that insane degree, but the faulty logic is still there).
They are extremely close Thor obviously winning due to more feats to be used in a vs forum.
But it's been stated they are pretty much equal in power.
Originally posted by kgkg
Which panel shows it's not true? So if it's been stated why whould you question people for thinking they are similar in power?
Being similar in power and being equal in power are two different things. It would be an err in judgment if people began to use Thor's feats as arguement that BRB can perform the same feats and to the same degree with the same level of effort.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankBut they have also been stated to be "equal in power" multiple times. There battle feats against similar characters are identical. Like I said the only think that would make Thor better is his higher ends feats<which BRB lacks due to fewer appearance but with the same token Thor also has many low end feats that doesn't concern BRB like his many Aveneger runs and many shitty durability instances>. So if you average them out they are pretty much equal in power/durability etc. as stated.
Being similar in power and being equal in power are two different things. It would be an err in judgment if people began to use Thor's feats as arguement that BRB can perform the same feats and to the same degree with the same level of effort.
Do you have anything in particular that would say otherwise , even their own fight proved that they are equally as powerful.
I would still favor Thor over BRB but I don't know why you would considered people thinking that BRB and Thor are equal as faulty logic. Even if Thor is better it's a very small margin.
Originally posted by kgkg
But they have also been stated to be "equal in power" multiple times. There battle feats against similar characters are identical. Like I said the only think that would make Thor better is his higher ends feats<which BRB lacks due to fewer appearance but with the same token Thor also has many low end feats that doesn't concern BRB like his many Aveneger runs and many shitty durability instances>. So if you average them out they are pretty much equal in power/durability etc. as stated.Do you have anything in particular that would say otherwise , even their own fight proved that they are equally as powerful.
I would still favor Thor over BRB but I don't know why you would considered people thinking that BRB and Thor are equal as faulty logic. Even if Thor is better it's a very small margin.
True, they are very close in power as stated, but again being close does not equal =. Thor has more divine strengths to fall back on aside from Mjolnir and his own physical attributes; the simple fact that's he's the offspring of both Odin and Gaea places him above BRB from birth. Thor has advantages that BRB does not, as does BRB have advantages over Thor.
I'm just of the opinion that you can't switch out "Thor" and replace it with "Beta Ray Bill" and get the exact same results. Close, sure, even incredibly close in same cases, but the exact same, no.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Indeed. He is nothing but a handicap to surfers case. Before u know it he will bust out arguments on how surfer is millions of times more durable than thor or that thor is a pillow man or some similar nonsense thereby discrediting all the sane arguments made in surfer favour.
I think you greatly misunderstand me. I didn't claim Thanos was a pillow man (LMFAO). I said that him being cut by bones claws by Logan in a non canon crossover made me view him this way. I know he isn't a pillow man (although his being is not harder than Superman's being). I viewed his durability was more due to energy projection (he can manipulate, absorb, and channel energy through his being) and being able to control his molecules (a pseudo HF).
And at first I was a firm believer that best feats determine not only whose stronger but by how much. Although I still agree with the former, the latter I'm now having doubts about.
So when I mention "million times more" stuff, I carefully precede the statement by "By best feats" and not "in general". I don't think Surfer is a million times anything than Thor. Thor may be stronger but he is a little less durable and certainly slower. My argument to support Surfer is the speed argument as well as the keeping Thor from his hammer tactic, nothing more. Thor's main weaknesses are his lack of mobility (in comparison to SS), speed, and temporary loss of hammer (the biggest weakness).
Also SS can launch multiple attacks at once. I doubt Thor can stop two simultaneous attacks from different sides, neither can he launch such attacks himself.
Originally posted by manx422I might go with Thor too if I didn't see how easily SS keep Thor from his hammer in their first fight. SS didn't even attack him while Thor didn't have use of his hammer.
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In blood and thunder, Thor missed SS when he threw the hammer yet SS couldn't even hit a standing still in space Thor for nothing. Talk about ridiculousness. Lastly, due to Thor's character he will most like throw the hammer at SS and miss (SS has light speed reflexes and have blocked beams in mid air). This will leave Thor as a sitting duck for a devastating attack.
If Thor doesn't throw his hammer and if SS doesn't use his powers to keep Thor from his hammer then this would be a fight for the ages.
In comics Thor is probably more popular than Surfer and thus when the two fight Thor either gets the win or stalemate. But in those same fights SS is seen fighting stupidly. This holds evidence that if SS didn't fight this way he may win over Thor (something writers didn't want and hence having reasons for Surfer fighting stupid in the first place).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So every Thor/Surfer confrontation is PIS?
Think about it. Did SS fight stupidly those times? Is Thor more popular?
I'm not saying that SS beats Thor for a large majority but given what he has shown he should be able to win at least a slight majority.
So to answer your question I say no. But certainly there were instances of PIS in the confrontations (or at least SS not fighting to the best of his ability for the sake of the story).
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You mean when Surfer had Loki's power added onto his own? 😐
I don't know about that but I remember two instances where SS keep Thor from his hammer. One was from a simple cosmic bolt, the other was a force field where Thor later smashed with his fists.
If both instances were done under Loki's power then that argument of mine is destroyed.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know about that but I remember two instances where SS keep Thor from his hammer. One was from a simple cosmic bolt, the other was a force field where Thor later smashed with his fists.If both instances were done under Loki's power then that argument of mine is destroyed.
Originally posted by SlaaneshThey have the same basic powerset. I feel Superman is more powerful though and I believe Thor has been shown to wield more power than BrB.
u didn't answer my question..i think BRB have been state to be Thor equals..though i could be mistaken..but have Supergirl ever been state to be Supes equals??
Originally posted by Kris BlazeYou are right.
The incident I'm talking about is in Silver Surfer 04, the first time they met.
What about the second instance though? I've only seen the scans, I didn't actually read the whole comic. Do you remember the one where SS uses a force field to keep Thor from his hammer? That again wasn't the first instance was it?
Originally posted by h1a8
You are right.What about the second instance though? I've only seen the scans, I didn't actually read the whole comic. Do you remember the one where SS uses a force field to keep Thor from his hammer? That again wasn't the first instance was it?