Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer can phase (can't be touched), create black holes, temporarily trap the hammer in a force field, and send his board at Thor from behind at over a million c.This combination is unbeatable.
At their peak, the black hole shouldn't seriously affect either, and I doubt Surfer could materialize it inside Thor, given his magical essence and whatnot, not to mention that the otherworldly energy soak Thor has would lessen anything in his vicinity in terms of Surfer's attacks.
If Thor is holding the hammer, I don't see it being wrested from his control by another, and he wouldn't need to ever lose his grip on it in my scenario.
Speedblitz is a valid argument, I'll give you that, but we get into a feats vs. how they're portrayed when they fight argument. There's also the matter of my omnidirectional lightning, which would respond instantaneously to thought. Speedblitz or not, Surfer also has to think to enact your plan, and we've seen the lightning punk Surfer before.
Clearly it's not easy to figure out definitively. There's a reason this thread is popular. But to call either one unstoppable or clearly the victor is naive of the others' abilities.
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Originally posted by DigiYou are right. If the two fight the way they normally fight in comics then I see 5/10 or a slight majority for Surfer (based off Thor being shown to throw his hammer and Surfer being able to trap it for a moment). But if both fought smart then I view Surfer being the victor mostly because he could just phase when the battle starts (can't lose here). Surfer also has shields that can block frontal attacks like lightning. Remember planning before the fight is allowed. Also, the omnidirectional lightning isn't really omnidirectional. There is plenty of room (from looking at the scans of Blood and Thunder) to maneuver through the lightning if Surfer didn't want to phase or just create a shield. All it takes is speed and reflexes which Surfer has.
At their peak, the black hole shouldn't seriously affect either, and I doubt Surfer could materialize it inside Thor, given his magical essence and whatnot, not to mention that the otherworldly energy soak Thor has would lessen anything in his vicinity in terms of Surfer's attacks.If Thor is holding the hammer, I don't see it being wrested from his control by another, and he wouldn't need to ever lose his grip on it in my scenario.
Speedblitz is a valid argument, I'll give you that, but we get into a feats vs. how they're portrayed when they fight argument. There's also the matter of my omnidirectional lightning, which would respond instantaneously to thought. Speedblitz or not, Surfer also has to think to enact your plan, and we've seen the lightning punk Surfer before.
Clearly it's not easy to figure out definitively. There's a reason this thread is popular. But to call either one unstoppable or clearly the victor is naive of the others' abilities.
As far as the black hole, I'm pretty sure Thor isn't solid everywhere. There should be open spaces inside him to place a black hole. Or just creating one next to him should be enough. IMO, no herald level being should survive a black hole, not even Superman. They have infinite ripping forces inside the event horizon. And the black hole is a physical attack, not an energy one. I see it ripping Thor in gazillions of pieces, unless we use the logic that Thor should be okay because, after all, he is a herald being and if Surfer and Superman can do it then he can as well without having to show it or anything of the same magnitude.
But in comics, Surfer is mostly a maneuvering blaster and Thor a warrior using the hammer mostly as a club and throwing weapon and sometimes as a blaster. Neither really uses exotic powers against each other. Well maybe Surfer a little by using force fields to trap the hammer.
6/10 Surfer.
Potential wise I view Surfer as higher than a herald (assuming the Annihilation upgrade wasn't a temporary one). I mean the guy can destroy a planet with a blast, create black holes, and evolve a whole planet like nothing.
Originally posted by Digi
At their peak, the black hole shouldn't seriously affect either, and I doubt Surfer could materialize it inside Thor, given his magical essence and whatnot, not to mention that the otherworldly energy soak Thor has would lessen anything in his vicinity in terms of Surfer's attacks.
When has either, Thor or Surfer, survived a black hole. The only time I recall Surfer doing it, was during the Galactus/Inbetweener arc where Surfer "maneuvered" (implying there was a special way to go into/through the hole without being crushed to death) through the black hole into the magic universe.
Irregardless, Thor has taken multiple blasts by angry Celestials and gone toe to toe against Odin for a few panels. Thor has busted through a Celestial's outer shell and crushed it's cranium which was even harder than it's outer shell.
Surfer was one shotted by Odin, never done anything remotely as impressive as Thor vs a Celestial level being, or tanked blasts by a Celestial level being.
Unless something crazy goes on in the upcoming Thor issues, Thor takes the majority of wins.
Thor also has a plot device weapon in Mjolnir. Plus, didn't he have to use the belt of strength and iron gloves to crack Exitar's domepiece?
Surfer doesn't have a feat that impressive (even though I think him channeling the forces of the Big Crunch to beat Aegis and Tenebrous and his creating/evolving an entire race of people are uber), but he's strong enough to take 3-4 wins here at the very least.
@Harbringer
No, he only used the Belt of Strength to reinforce Mjolnir so it wouldn't shatter during the Godblast. But it did anyway. The Belt didn't amp the blast at all.
The Surfer was being crushed by Aegis/Teneberous, if it wasn't for the LUCKY location of the battle site, he would have been dead.