Silver Surfer vs Thor

Originally posted by zopzop
The Surfer was being crushed by Aegis/Teneberous, if it wasn't for the LUCKY location of the battle site, he would have been dead.

stacking both of those instances against each other to see who'd beat the other doesn't work, at best all they do is show their individual sky-fatherish moments when push goes to shove. neither feats can really be replicated without plot

Originally posted by h1a8
(assuming the Annihilation upgrade wasn't a temporary one).

This always bugged me. I've yet to see a definitive upgrade from that.

Anyway, I can't really be upset about those repping Surfer in this thread. Your points are well-made, and a lot of it just comes down to a subjective 4-7/10 for someone.

Originally posted by zopzop
When has either, Thor or Surfer, survived a black hole.

...which is why I said it "shouldn't" affect them. I don't think we have definitive proof either way for Thor. I choose my words carefully.

srug

Originally posted by zopzop
When has either, Thor or Surfer, survived a black hole. The only time I recall Surfer doing it, was during the Galactus/Inbetweener arc where Surfer "maneuvered" (implying there was a special way to go into/through the hole without being crushed to death) through the black hole into the magic universe.

Irregardless, Thor has taken multiple blasts by angry Celestials and gone toe to toe against Odin for a few panels. Thor has busted through a Celestial's outer shell and crushed it's cranium which was even harder than it's outer shell.

Surfer was one shotted by Odin, never done anything remotely as impressive as Thor vs a Celestial level being, or tanked blasts by a Celestial level being.

Unless something crazy goes on in the upcoming Thor issues, Thor takes the majority of wins.

And Surfer being one shotted by Odin is a low showing. Surfer has taken blasts from Galactus level beings before (including Galactus). U just can't use Thor's best against Surfer's worst to make a point. That's a bias way to argue.

Well, we'll see soon enough. Going by past showings and feats, my money is on Odin and Thor owning Surfer and Galactus. Or at the very least, Thor owning the SS.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are right. If the two fight the way they normally fight in comics then I see 5/10 or a slight majority for Surfer (based off Thor being shown to throw his hammer and Surfer being able to trap it for a moment). But if both fought smart then I view Surfer being the victor mostly because he could just phase when the battle starts (can't lose here). Surfer also has shields that can block frontal attacks like lightning. Remember planning before the fight is allowed. Also, the omnidirectional lightning isn't really omnidirectional. There is plenty of room (from looking at the scans of Blood and Thunder) to maneuver through the lightning if Surfer didn't want to phase or just create a shield. All it takes is speed and reflexes which Surfer has.

As far as the black hole, I'm pretty sure Thor isn't solid everywhere. There should be open spaces inside him to place a black hole. Or just creating one next to him should be enough. IMO, no herald level being should survive a black hole, not even Superman. They have infinite ripping forces inside the event horizon. And the black hole is a physical attack, not an energy one. I see it ripping Thor in gazillions of pieces, unless we use the logic that Thor should be okay because, after all, he is a herald being and if Surfer and Superman can do it then he can as well without having to show it or anything of the same magnitude.

But in comics, Surfer is mostly a maneuvering blaster and Thor a warrior using the hammer mostly as a club and throwing weapon and sometimes as a blaster. Neither really uses exotic powers against each other. Well maybe Surfer a little by using force fields to trap the hammer.

6/10 Surfer.

Potential wise I view Surfer as higher than a herald (assuming the Annihilation upgrade wasn't a temporary one). I mean the guy can destroy a planet with a blast, create black holes, and evolve a whole planet like nothing.

Who'll win in a fight, Surfer or Superman?

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Originally posted by zopzop
Well, we'll see soon enough. Going by past showings and feats, my money is on Odin and Thor owning Surfer and Galactus. Or at the very least, Thor owning the SS.

Different times. Surfers always been powerful, but lately they've been playing up his cosmic uberness.

Originally posted by carver9
Who'll win in a fight, Surfer or Superman?

Without weakness exploit, Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer fought inside a black hole without any injuries before. Thor never done it. All characters have high showings IN THEIR OWN COMIC. But blasts and energy is not the same as physical force. Surfer has shown greater durability than Thor in the blunt force area.

And Surfer being one shotted by Odin is a low showing. Surfer has taken blasts from Galactus level beings before (including Galactus). U just can't use Thor's best against Surfer's worst to make a point. That's a bias way to argue.

Doesn't mean Thor couldn't survive a black hole. Agreed about respective feats and bias, however. It's hard to be balanced for both.

Originally posted by carver9
Who'll win in a fight, Surfer or Superman?

IMO, Surfer.

Fast enough to play keep away and just keep blasting him, durable enough to tank a punch or two if they get in close (As he's taken Hulks punches on several occasions, without being harmed, and Beta Ray Bills and Nova's attacks didn't seem to phase him.) There's also exotic options, like trapping him in his board.

Plus, the weakness exploitation options, but imo he doesn't even need those.

Originally posted by carver9
Who'll win in a fight, Surfer or Superman?

Originally posted by carver9
Who'll win in a fight, Surfer or Superman?

If both fought smart then Surfer would win. IMO, Surfer would be the most powerful herald besides a sun dipped Superman (he's above herald then).

Originally posted by Digi
...which is why I said it "shouldn't" affect them. I don't think we have definitive proof either way for Thor. I choose my words carefully.

srug

Anomaly Maelstrom himself, the equal to Thanos with the IG, was crushed to death inside a super massive black hole! If the Surfer is capable of "only" creating a grape sized black hole inside or near Thor, Thor is D E A D.

Originally posted by Philosophía
In what universe does "shouldn't be affected by a blackhole" make any kind of sense, considering Black Holes are infinitely (in the literal sense) more destructive that numerous things that have affected Thor?

So I assume Thanos is infinitely more durable than Thor biscuits

Originally posted by zopzop
Anomaly Maelstrom himself, the equal to Thanos with the IG, was crushed to death inside a super massive black hole! If the Surfer is capable of "only" creating a grape sized black hole inside or near Thor, Thor is D E A D.

AND, Thanos is more durable than Anomaly Maelstrom 😱

I guess that makes the bomb Drax used quite uber ermm

Originally posted by h1a8
If both fought smart then Surfer would win. IMO, Surfer would be the most powerful herald besides a sun dipped Superman (he's above herald then).

Alrighty... I was just seeing if you were being biased or not. I'm proud of you, you are growing.

Originally posted by Bentley
AND, Thanos is more durable than Anomaly Maelstrom 😱

I guess that makes the bomb Drax used quite uber ermm

A galaxy (and growing) sized black hole destroyed Anomaly Maelstrom, a being with his own kinetic energy control powers, boosted by the Quantum bands, supplanting Anomaly, backed by Cosmic Awarenes, all the while working for Oblivion.

Thor is NOT in that league. Even a grape sized black hole created inside or extremely close to Thor would finish him instantly.

Originally posted by Bentley
So I assume Thanos is infinitely more durable than Thor biscuits

I think you wanted to say Superman, who's infinitely more durable than both. *high-five*

I'm grossly against characters surviving blackholes. I hate it about as much as street levelers dodging bullets after they're fired.

Originally posted by cdtm
IMO, Surfer.

Fast enough to play keep away and just keep blasting him, durable enough to tank a punch or two if they get in close (As he's taken Hulks punches on several occasions, without being harmed, and Beta Ray Bills and Nova's attacks didn't seem to phase him.) There's also exotic options, like trapping him in his board.

Plus, the weakness exploitation options, but imo he doesn't even need those.

I agree with this 100%... Surfer doesn't need weakness exploiting to pull a healthy majority imo unless we completely ignore his output and durability showings.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm grossly against characters surviving blackholes. I hate it about as much as street levelers dodging bullets after they're fired.