Originally posted by abhilegend
This again? You are repeating the same "misleading interpretation" argument? Sad.
Your delusions are.Surfer raging out and only able to hurt himself rather than Thor while Thor dents his skull and no sells his point blank blast means Surfer was getting his ass kicked.
Was he?
That's because Fraction Thor is a retarded brute. Thor kep shoving mjolnir up surfer's ass regularly too.
So he's martian manhunter lite? Big deal, J'onn gets his head punched in often enough as it is. You can repeat it as much you want, it would change nothing. By that definition nothing would beat hulk or wolverine because they can heal damage.
Thor's forehead was bloody, surfer's forehead was ****ing caved in. He healed back but who got worse by that attack is obvious to everybody but you.
And Loki said he is more powerful than ever. Without the amp Loki said he was no match for Thor at all.
Makes sense, since without Loki's amp Surfer would only possess power that "was a fraction of what it once was."
So in other words Surfer might of had Loki's power added to his own, but at the time he only had a "fraction" of his original power.
That's invalid per rules here. He was backtracking anyway.
But both happened under the same writer, why is one PIS and other isn't? With inductors? Pretty much classic surfer. Not with inductors. Johnny wielded his power and he didn't note any increase in surfer's power either.
Name one another instance where surfer mentioned his amp. Heck even in Annihilation its mentioned that Galactus merely restored his power, not augmented it. Its not my job to prove it didn't stuck, its your job to prove it stuck. Fraction made that surfer would be weakened away from earth but in Infinity there was no mention of it.
What? Upgrades are suppose to be dismissed according to you? What does it even matter? We saw how post-annihilation Surfer did against Thor currently, and it was a stalemate
Nothing as low as armbarred by Black Panther though.
I called it flip-flopping because you are applying different standards for surfer and Thor. And you're ****ing wrong. Move on.That's right.
You are grasping at straws now. Stop this foolishness.
If she phases someone from behind its most assuredly a cheapshot. Have you like ever read an X-men comic?
Nope.
Stop. You are just being inane at this point with nonsensical analogies.
Are you serious? Your counter-argument is to just dismiss my argument and plug your ears and say "Nope" and "Stop." Stop avoiding my points and address them, but until you actually do that, I'll accept your concession.
Right back at ya.
While Bill was heavily weakened and wounded. But that's ignored, right?
It's amazing how much an advantage you get if you start a fight with a surprise sucker shot, unlike Surfer who created an advantage when the fight already started.
Of course it does.
Which he did just recently as FF discovered. "Recent depletion" of ozone layer means surfer just recently discovered ozone layer blocked the rays an he blasted a hole in it. That absolutely retcons why he seemed weaker.
Surfer (decades later): I gather energy from space and accidentally burned a hole in the ozone = I was never depowered at all, even though I clearly was, and made references to it multiple times.
This is as bad as you trying to pass off the scan of Surfer drinking tea as a retcon too, which made me burst out laughing.
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Depowerment but not by a specific being. In FF 74 he described it because he was denied the power of endless cosmos, not because he was drained by sonic shark.
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That shows yet another reference to Surfer's depowerement. How does that mean he was replenished to full power? He can still channel power from the cosmos, but to lesser extent due to being weakened.
Read below.
Nah, it was to show that when he went back to space after galactus' barrier, his strength is replenished. Your reading comprehension sucks.
Here Surfer is trapped under the barrier and he can still channel and gather energy from "the endless cosmos" and uses it to blast the Flying Dutchman.
There goes the barrier BS.
Again, the barrier doesn't so sh*t except block his board. The depowerment was to his personal reserves and nearly killed him. But the FF4 stopped it before it could, but it left him extremely weakened.
Stop trying to make outlandish claims to prove Surfer was full power when he fought Thor. He clearly wasn't.
I made a mistake as I remembered the scene taking place after SS 2. Honest mistake bro, that scene took place after SS 18.http://i.imgur.com/RScydNw.jpg
"Merely hours ago."
The scan you posted happened decades after the Thor fight. If Surfer did re-absorb his power in that scan, it would mean it did it decades after the Thor fight. So I don't see any argument here.
And that's all that matters. He was more powerful than ever and even then he agreed that mjolnir>>PC.
And what that perspective would be?
Surfer wasn't losing to Thor but he was more powerful than ever and still claimed mjolnir>>PC. Not hard to imagine what Stan had in mind.
Totally false.uhuh
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Silver Surfer is stronger than Thor, he has lifted and moved far heavier things with his TK than Thor with his bare hands
He lifted a star, a freaking star.
Another thing, his energy blasts can destroy planets, Thor's lightning or energy (including godblast) has never destroyed something that massive. He needs to rely on physically hitting with his hammer to do what Silver Surfer does with a casual blast.
Fact is, Silver Surfer holds back, and the only reason he doesn't use hax during fights is due to morals. (confirmed in Silver Surfer: In Thy Name #1)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111324203/6600190-7206662131--ye_ImzSgaVUqMgYNla7coLRTd5uHkZ6CyedMYyEpiKkVxElixVAGOB0ZVBg-8ntI5YIMwJc9xRyxkMH4OjA7sYEQh4zkblkCrmJ7wEM0a8LZvcbmvXm7cB_3puJHcYpgWCaCKA%3Ds0
Originally posted by XLR87T3
Silver Surfer is stronger than Thor, he has lifted and moved far heavier things with his TK than Thor with his bare handsHe lifted a star, a freaking star.
Another thing, his energy blasts can destroy planets, Thor's lightning or energy (including godblast) has never destroyed something that massive. He needs to rely on physically hitting with his hammer to do what Silver Surfer does with a casual blast.
Fact is, Silver Surfer holds back, and the only reason he doesn't use hax during fights is due to morals. (confirmed in Silver Surfer: In Thy Name #1)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111324203/6600190-7206662131--ye_ImzSgaVUqMgYNla7coLRTd5uHkZ6CyedMYyEpiKkVxElixVAGOB0ZVBg-8ntI5YIMwJc9xRyxkMH4OjA7sYEQh4zkblkCrmJ7wEM0a8LZvcbmvXm7cB_3puJHcYpgWCaCKA%3Ds0
More excuses from the Sufer camp for him proving incapable of defeating Thor throughout their comic history.
Mjolnir could always soak up whatever planet busting blasts Surfer throws out. But Surfer has never been able to handle Mjolnir strikes very well.
Thor wins as usual. (Classic Mjolnir Thor that is). Best Surfer can achieve is a stalemate.
Silver Surfer was holding back on all of those occasions where he fought Thor. Morals Off, he uses hax to kill Thor
http://www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/silversuferinthynameprev/SilverSurferInThyNamePg04.jpg
Technically Surfer should be much faster (movement speed) than Thor. This should make it extremely hard (if not impossible) for Thor to land any significant blows.
Surfer has his problems too.
His blasts against heralds are just not very powerful.
Surfer can wreck the hell out of some fodder though.
But if Surfer was allowed to blast Thor for a few seconds then how much damage do you think Thor will accrue?
Originally posted by h1a8
Technically Surfer should be much faster (movement speed) than Thor. This should make it extremely hard (if not impossible) for Thor to land any significant blows.
Surfer has his problems too.
His blasts against heralds are just not very powerful.
Surfer can wreck the hell out of some fodder though.
But if Surfer was allowed to blast Thor for a few seconds then how much damage do you think Thor will accrue?
So you dont think planet destroying attacks would be effective against Heralds?
