What Surfer did to Delta Wave Dave he's not doing to Thor. Based on their last encounter (with Thor doing his usual wanna-destroy and Surfer his usual pacifistic monologuing), I'd say the fight could go either way (circumstance determined outcome)...unless, the thunder god does his warrior madness thing again.
On the other hand, I'm still waiting for a herald madness story to showcase what Soarin' Norrin could do. 😉
Originally posted by One-Punch
They're extremely similar in power set is what I'm saying. They both have hammers that can technically counter everything Surfer throws at them. But guess what? Bill's hammer didn't stop him from getting beat to a bloody pulp.
How is this relevant in any way? I could see if Thor and Surfer have never fought before, but they obviously have.
Originally posted by Damborgson
-Planetary power absorption
-Storm control on a cosmic scale
-Thor had his time travel abilities back in the day, too bad they were taken away. -pouts-
-Able to go through dimensions on a whim
-Able to phase others in between time and space
-Planetary sized portals, meaning he can wipe out worlds on a whim
-His own body is capable of absorbing limitless energy and harness it ala godbomb style
-Can enchant common objects into items of power
-He can also fracture reality through brute force, enough for an opponent to get sucked through that fracture out of our reality.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Bill's storm breaker can counter everything Surfer throws at him, except it didn't, and he got the shit beaten out of him.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Yeah Bill is nothing like Thor at all, with his enchanted hammer, command of storms, and thor-like costume and strength.
Originally posted by One-Punch
They're extremely similar in power set is what I'm saying. They both have hammers that can technically counter everything Surfer throws at them. But guess what? Bill's hammer didn't stop him from getting beat to a bloody pulp.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Considering past events? No, it's not relevant in the slightest.Spider Man has beaten Cyclops, does that mean he's going to beat Havok? No.
Really? You're comparing Cyclops and Havoc to Bill and Thor? 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean where surfer cheapshotted Bill with a board shot? Guess what? He cheapshotted Thor with 5 boards shot and Thor was still beating that ass. But we would disregard the instance where a wounded Bill KTFO surfer with two shots, right? Bill was still conscious after surfer cheapshotted him and punched him twice.
That's not a cheapshot when it's used in mid-battle buddy. It's called smart battle tactics. A cheapshot would be when Thor tossed his hammer at Surfer's back while Surfer was in mid-conversation with Odin.
Thor was never beating his ass in their recent fight. Don't make stuff up now.
When did Bill knock out post-annihilation Surfer? Don't tell me you're talking about that skuttlebutt scene which you admitted to misreading the entire order of that scene.
Originally posted by One-Punch
It's relevant when people claim Thor's hammer can counter everything Surfer can, and that's the deciding factor to net him the win. That claim goes out the window when you find out Bill has a hammer that can counter everything Surfer throws at him, yet he still got beaten to bloody pulp. Do you understand the relevance now?Really? You're comparing Cyclops and Havoc to Bill and Thor? 😂
Are you serious?? Bill isn't Thor. What happens to Bill doesn't mean shit for Thor.
AND. Thor and Surfer have fought numerous times, and Thor has beaten his ass everytime, minus the last stalemate, while being mortally wounded.
So tell me, how does Surfer beating Bill matter AT ALL?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean where surfer cheapshotted Bill with a board shot? Guess what? He cheapshotted Thor with 5 boards shot and Thor was still beating that ass. But we would disregard the instance where a wounded Bill KTFO surfer with two shots, right? Bill was still conscious after surfer cheapshotted him and punched him twice.
The jig is up! What's your agenda here Abhi?
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Are you serious?? Bill isn't Thor. What happens to Bill doesn't mean shit for Thor.AND. Thor and Surfer have fought numerous times, and Thor has beaten his ass everytime, minus the last stalemate, while being mortally wounded.
So tell me, how does Surfer beating Bill matter AT ALL?
Thor never won their first fight. Surfer clearly had him on the ropes, since Thor was on the floor crawling to his Mjolnir with Surfer standing over him. Then Sif and Balder came to Thor's rescue and Surfer flew away.
True, Surfer was amped by Loki, but a few issues prior to his first fight with Thor, Surfer was also significantly and permanently depowered.
I'll give Thor the win during blood and thunder, but that's post-annihilation Surfer.
Their recent fight was a stalemate, but let's not exaggerate the extent of that wound. It caused Thor some pain, and gave him erectile dysfunction (no joke). The only arena it legit weakened him in was in bed, as pointed out by Lady Sif.
Originally posted by One-Punch
That's not a cheapshot when it's used in mid-battle buddy. It's called smart battle tactics. A cheapshot would be when Thor tossed his hammer at Surfer's back while Surfer was in mid-conversation with Odin.Thor was never beating his ass in their recent fight. Don't make stuff up now.
When did Bill knock out post-annihilation Surfer? Don't tell me you're talking about that skuttlebutt scene which you admitted to misreading the entire order of that scene.
Guess who got his skull dented with a headbutt and cried out in pain on mars?
Again with this post-annihilation BS? Post-annihilation surfer got oneshot KTFO by Karnilla, pre-annihilation surfer no sold Karnilla. His amp is stuff of past, its like arguing Iron man's amps. If we take all the upgrades he had made to his armors, he'd be skyfather level now. Surfer got an ambiguous amp in Annihilation, that doesn't eradicate all his showings before that. And bill tapped that ass in B&T.
Originally posted by One-Punch
I'm not claiming abc logic with Surfer and Bill. I'm claiming mjolnir's energy absorbing ability isn't an auto-win against Surfer, since Bill had the same ability and it didn't do jack. Don't know how much clearer I can be.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm not comfortable with this.The jig is up! What's your agenda here Abhi?
Originally posted by One-Punch
Read my post above. You're confusing my points.Thor never won their first fight. Surfer clearly had him on the ropes, since Thor was on the floor crawling to his Mjolnir with Surfer standing over him. Then Sif and Balder came to Thor's rescue and Surfer flew away.
True, Surfer was amped by Loki, but a few issues prior to his first fight with Thor, Surfer was also significantly and permanently depowered.
I'll give Thor the win during blood and thunder, but that's post-annihilation Surfer.
Their recent fight was a stalemate, but let's not exaggerate the extent of that wound. It caused Thor some pain, and gave him erectile dysfunction (no joke). The only arena it legit weakened him in was in bed, as pointed out by Lady Sif.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Bill's storm breaker can counter everything Surfer throws at him, except it didn't, and he got the shit beaten out of him.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Yeah Bill is nothing like Thor at all, with his enchanted hammer, command of storms, and thor-like costume and strength.
Well, let's look at their respective fights, shall we?
The tactic Surfer used to gain an advantage over Bill did not turn the fight for him against Thor. And Bill was actually doing just fine against Surfer with Stormbreaker countering his Power Cosmic.
I hope the two get a rematch soon and Bill pays him back. It's about time I think that this blemish on Bill's record was removed.
Edit: I almost forgot that Bill (While injured IIRC) did two piece Surfer.
Originally posted by One-Punch
It's relevant when people claim Thor's hammer can counter everything Surfer can, and that's the deciding factor to net him the win. That claim goes out the window when you find out Bill has a hammer that can counter everything Surfer throws at him, yet he still got beaten to bloody pulp. Do you understand the relevance now?Really? You're comparing Cyclops and Havoc to Bill and Thor? 😂
This is getting silly.
Bill would be a decent benchmark if Thor/Surfer had never encountered each other. Except they have.
And I have no idea how you think that scene disproves the hammers countering the Power Cosmic? It was doing JUST that:
There's a reason none of Surfer's attacks broke through his defenses and he resorted to an attack from behind to get his opening. And at that point it turns into a comparison of physical competence between Thor/Bill and not hammers vs. Power Cosmic. I.e. Bill should have turned to defend himself or been faster to react against Surfer's punches.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Mjolnir and all its trappings are part of his power set... Can't really separate the two.
Surfer's abilities on the other hand stem directly from the PC imparted upon him by Galactus. Not external equipment like the board. If his board gets smashed, Surfer can simply restore it with a wave of his hand. If Mjolnir gets smashed, Thor would need the help of Odin to repair it.
It's fairly simple; between the 2 of them, Superman is clearly more powerful than the Martian Manhunter, however for him to match J'onn's versatility, Kal would need an external device like a gl ring or the motherbox. Same goes for Thor/Surfer.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Their recent fight was a stalemate, but let's not exaggerate the extent of that wound. It caused Thor some pain, and gave him erectile dysfunction (no joke). The only arena it legit weakened him in was in bed, as pointed out by Lady Sif.
"It glows rather than bleeds Sif. What nature of wound is this?"
"You're hurt. You're hurting. You're in pain. You're distracted, you're..."
"Your wound, Thor. 'Tis worse. And Weirder."
"'Tis a wound in my gut, it grows, and it hurts like Hel."
At the end of the arc, it had stopped growing worse and he was accustomed to the pain (Lying to Loki is more likely but I don't want to get caught up in particulars). Anyways, irrelevant in his fight with Surfer where it was straight up killing him. Thor was fighting Surfer with the godly equivalent of a gun shot wound to the gut.
Also, it didn't cause him erectile dysfunction. He still got it on with Sif despite the pain.
