Vader Vs. Dr. Doom

Vader with the Emperor's powers? He already has the Emperor's powers. He is a superior master in the Force, the only reason the Emperor was the Emperor is Vader's insecurities as Anakin still creeping in. Remember, Palpatine played on Vader's desire to be praised and the only reason Vader didn't overthrow him is because he felt Palpatine gave him direction. Vader is easily manipulated due to his arrogance and desire for praise, but he was stronger than the Emperor.

Besides, the logical reason Vader never used force lightning *while Tyrannus did, so obviously it's not an Emperor-only ability* is that he was encased in metal armor--not a good idea to channel lightning through that.

George Lucas himself admitted that Vader was weakened massively by having his mitochondria (and physical body) replaced with the machine power. Anakin may be stronger than the emperor, but Vader isn't.

Really? Didn't know that. I always considered Vader stronger because Anakin was such a young arrogant punk. When did he say that? Why does everyone keep talking about 'George Lucas himself said this' when I have never heard him say anything. Why does everyone else find this information and I don't?

Originally posted by Beyonder
DREAM...ON! Obviously you know nothing about Doom and had not even bothered reading some of the arguments and points made. Doom would kill Vader. Vader is just a Dr. Doom ripoff.

Ok, obviously YOU know nothing about Star Wars. I do know about Doom and I never said he was a loser. He's one of the most powerful villains in the Marvel Universe, what I said was that Vader's power outstrips him. Doom is brilliant and yes, it's possible he would outsmart him, but he would have to plan for this. In a hand-to-hand combat fight, Vader would defeat him.

As for Vader being a Dr. Doom rip-off, are you high or just ignorant? Or both? George Lucas based Vader's LOOK on Doom, not his character. The character has nothing to do with Dr. Doom, ergo it's not a 'rip-off.' Learn the definition of a word before you use it.

ok, doom wouldnt let it get to hand to hand, he would see the light saber, and he wouldnt let him get close to him with it, doom could destroy all of vaders equipment that keeps him alive in a milasecond, he made a death ray that would take out thor easily, and thor is a frikin god, he would have no problem with vader, who is acualy quite frigile

fragile***

What do you mean 'let it'? When a fight breaks out, one rarely has the option of 'letting' something happen. He doesn't have time to make a death ray if Vader attacked. The likely *I can't believe I'm saying likely* scenario would be that Doom tried to take over Coruscant or something and Vader force choked him to death without Doom having much chance to fight. His death ray would likely be used to destroy things on the planet, not carrying it into a one-on-one battle. Doom could fry his armor yes, *it's millisecond* but again, Vader would be able to immobilize Doom as soon as he so desired, so that point is moot. The bottom line is the victory would probably go to whomever has the element of surprise. But I line up opponents in a hand-to-hand fight, not who can blow up whom.

Originally posted by Wynndar
George Lucas has said himself that he modeled Vader's appearance and persona off of Dr Doom...if i were Doom I would be very flattered
Doom still wins

Flattered? Don't you mean insulted? Don't forget, this is Doom we're talking about. 😉

Originally posted by Kontraz
big bang theory is actually being more and more discredited every year (dont read national geographic, do ya?) Now scientists are leaning more over toward the "infinite universe" where there was no creation.

You should read something else than only National Geographic.

Lol, National Geographic is a mainstream 'general survey' of academia. You need to read Astronomy if you're going to discuss cosmological theories and the like.

As Who('s on first) said *sorry, had to*, Big Bang is the dominant theory still; what's been losing ground is the theory of the so-called 'Big Crunch.' Scientists no longer believe there is enough dark matter in the universe to pull it back together at the end. It will basically fade into darkness forever, with Galactus spinning around like Homer in that Simpsons episode eating up stars and planets like those chips.

wrathofachilles

Ok, obviously YOU know nothing about Star Wars. I do know about Doom and I never said he was a loser. He's one of the most powerful villains in the Marvel Universe, what I said was that Vader's power outstrips him. Doom is brilliant and yes, it's possible he would outsmart him, but he would have to plan for this. In a hand-to-hand combat fight, Vader would defeat him.

Read what I wrote earlier:

In a NEUTRAL UNIVERSE (is always applied when a threat does specify the place of battle), where both have their standard weapons and powers, where the force operates as it does in SW universe and magic operates as it does in MU, Doom would win. Why? Here's the proof WarSpawn.

Vader's Suit (nothing special) - Doom's armor is comparable to Iron Man's (durability for one), photon blast, force field, sonics, super strength, aborbtion of energy, flight, scanning & analysis of subjects

Light Saber - negated by Doom's Force Field

Force Ligthninig - shield again

Jedi skills - shield & superstrength (Class 2 or above)

life support weakness - Doom has none

Force choke, telekenesis-like ability, force sense - magic, ovoid mind switch, flight, energy projection, superstrength, suit sensors (to analyze fight & at least try to counter force sense), sonic

Jedis can only control weak minded people, so Vader won't be controlling Doom. Doom, on the other hand, has one of the strongest minds in the MU. He beat the Beyonder through cunning and determination. And how can you resist the Ovoid Mind Switch when Doom's mind and will is greater than Vader's.

If Vader tried to cut Doom with his light saber, would be close enough to rip Vaer's arm off, or blast a sonics at him. Even if Vader had him in a force choke, Doom can still turn up his sonic and kill Vader that way. Magic isn't Doom's specialty - it's his technology & intellegence & determination.
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He's not probing Vader's mind but rather taking over the body, pushing Vader's conscience out of the body. And the Ovoid mind switch is NOT MAGIC. It's a technique used by a race of alien beings known as the Ovoids. Doom learned it from them.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Read what I wrote earlier:

In a NEUTRAL UNIVERSE (is always applied when a threat does specify the place of battle), where both have their standard weapons and powers, where the force operates as it does in SW universe and magic operates as it does in MU, Doom would win. Why? Here's the proof WarSpawn.

Vader's Suit (nothing special) - Doom's armor is comparable to Iron Man's (durability for one), photon blast, force field, sonics, super strength, aborbtion of energy, flight, scanning & analysis of subjects

Light Saber - negated by Doom's Force Field

Force Ligthninig - shield again

Jedi skills - shield & superstrength (Class 2 or above)

life support weakness - Doom has none

Force choke, telekenesis-like ability, force sense - magic, ovoid mind switch, flight, energy projection, superstrength, suit sensors (to analyze fight & at least try to counter force sense), sonic

Jedis can only control weak minded people, so Vader won't be controlling Doom. Doom, on the other hand, has one of the strongest minds in the MU. He beat the Beyonder through cunning and determination. And how can you resist the Ovoid Mind Switch when Doom's mind and will is greater than Vader's.

If Vader tried to cut Doom with his light saber, would be close enough to rip Vaer's arm off, or blast a sonics at him. Even if Vader had him in a force choke, Doom can still turn up his sonic and kill Vader that way. Magic isn't Doom's specialty - it's his technology & intellegence & determination.
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He's not probing Vader's mind but rather taking over the body, pushing Vader's conscience out of the body. And the Ovoid mind switch is NOT MAGIC. It's a technique used by a race of alien beings known as the Ovoids. Doom learned it from them.

I've been a supporter of Vader's power's throughout, so i'll confirm this to fan boys.
1. Armour- Vader could get through it eventually with force cuts (who fights a steel can behind a forcefield?, but by then he'd be dead due to the weakness of his armour.
2. Force lightening- The force field might not protect, but Doom could avoid it (as he is agile), and Vader isn't powerful enough to sustain it after becoming more machine than man.
3. Jedi skills- they'd help Vader, but Doom beat up a lion with his bare hands; he is more skilled in combat.
4.They could duel quite interestingly here, smashing each other.
5. Ovoid mind switch- Two reasons why not. First, would he exchange with some bloke who only has half a body? Next, the force increases will power, and can protect against any hostile invasion. Abandon this idea, it's unlikely and impossible.

wrathofachilles

As for Vader being a Dr. Doom rip-off, are you high or just ignorant? Or both? George Lucas based Vader's LOOK on Doom, not his character. The character has nothing to do with Dr. Doom, ergo it's not a 'rip-off.' Learn the definition of a word before you use it.

Let's break this down:

Title: "Doctor" Doom; "Darth" Vader
Costume: Armor w/ hood & cape; armor w/ cape
Reason For Mask: coverup a disfigured face do to an accident; same reason for Vader but his also keeps him alive.
Voice: Deep menacing voice; same thing with Vader
Goal in life: revenge & world domination; revenge & world/universal domination on behalf of The Empire

Posture:

Dr. Doom w/ troops resembling him

Vader w/ troops resembling him as well

Darth Vader = Dr. Doom RIPOFF! 😉

Ytaker

5. Ovoid mind switch- Two reasons why not. First, would he exchange with some bloke who only has half a body? Next, the force increases will power, and can protect against any hostile invasion. Abandon this idea, it's unlikely and impossible.

If Doom is losing, he'll resort to Ovoid Mind Trick. The Force increases will power? Yet someone earlier said that the Force is unlimited, the only thing that is limited is the users will, not the power of the Force. So which is it?

And if the Force can increase a person's will, why is a Jedi/Sith limited to only controllingl weak minded people using the Force.

And the Ovoid Mind Trick takes Dooms mind and puts it into Vader's body, it has nothing to do with Vader's will.

Originally posted by Beyonder
If Doom is losing, he'll resort to Ovoid Mind Trick. The Force increases will power? Yet someone earlier said that the Force is unlimited, the only thing that is limited is the users will, not the power of the Force. So which is it?

And if the Force can increase a person's will, why is a Jedi/Sith limited to only controllingl weak minded people using the Force.

And the Ovoid Mind Trick takes Dooms mind and puts it into Vader's body, it has nothing to do with Vader's will.

I said that badly, I apologise, I’ll try again. The force acts as a barrier, scattering defences. A skilled person might be able to evade the out reaches of the defence, but would be forced out if they were unwelcome. Let me give some examples. Think of a minefield. That's what a unhappy person's mind is like. Now think of sensor activated bazooka robots (against your mental form). The sensors surround the mind. That's what a troubled dark side force user's mind looks like (guess who's wife is dead). You can't cheat into it with any skill, like you could with a normal mind.

I dont think Doom would ever need to use the Ovoid mind switch...he has only used it in the most desparate scenerio: when his body was atomized by Silver Surfer and Tyros(Terrax) in a ball of cosmic fire...when he was captured by Hyperstorm (Son of Franklin Richards)...and when he was taking revenge on the Fantastic Four, used Ovoid switch to make Reed kill his best friend, the Thing

like i said before, Doom would have several ways to kill Vader at his disposal...he does not need to "build a death ray" he keeps multiple weapons in his armor at all times...he blasted Hyperstorm's cosmic zombie with enough energy to level the silver surfer and that was when he was jus chillin in his regular armor. like i said befor, Doom would assualt vader with a biological or nanotech assualt on his ventilation, either making Vader immediately infected with a messed up bacteria, or shutting down his respirator and the rest of his mechanical body...I dont know why no one has mentioned this but Doom calls himself the master of robotics, he even said this inside the Watcher's citadel where he easily manipulated the androids of the watcher (a cosmic being almost as old as the universe and far more intelligent than anything in the whole star wars universe)...he would easily know how to stop Vader, someone who has a mostly robotic body!! 😆

This thread should be closed. All Vader winning advocates have long gone, and we're just picking over the loose threads of Doom's victory.

No, I'm an advocate and I don't give up. But this has ceased to be about who would win and now is about Vader being a rip-off. Beyonder, I can't even respond to half of what you said because it's so ludicrous.

Title: "Doctor" Doom; "Darth" Vader--what the hell does this have to do with anything? Nothing. Darth Vader is German for Dark Father, Doctor Doom is just that: Doctor Doom. Doctor is from the Latin doctorus, learned one. The names do not relate in any aspect. If you're referring to the fact that they both begin with the letter D, well then gosh! Brilliant deduction! So Donkey Kong must be a rip-off too right??

Costume: Armor w/ hood & cape; armor w/ cape--

I believe I already stated that Vader's look was based on Doom's. Again, Vader's LOOK.

Reason For Mask: coverup a disfigured face do to an accident; same reason for Vader but his also keeps him alive--

Again, Vader's LOOK is based on Doom. Why do you keep repeating both yourself and me?

Voice: Deep menacing voice; same thing with Vader--

Iron masks tend to do that.

Goal in life: revenge & world domination; revenge & world/universal domination on behalf of The Empire--

Vader's life is based on the Jedi-Sith war and his insecurities as the Chosen One. His son Luke is the one who ultimately saves him from the dark side and redeems him. Doom is not particularly redeemable. Vader cares about power and respect, not 'galactic domination.' Otherwise he'd have overthrown the Emperor to accomplish this. He cares about praise and intimidation. Again, his character is NOT based on Doom.

Posture: The images you chose for Doom are modern illustrations, drawn long after the movies came out, so that doesn't support your point. But as I said numerous times, Vader's LOOK is based upon Doom's. Ok?

Vader's LOOK is based upon Doom's.

Oh, one more thing. Vader's LOOK is based upon Doom's.

Dr. Doom, based on what he has done in the past, can dispatch vader.