Kontraz: so what if i wasnt the first to mention....it doesnt make it an invalid point... and it doesnt mean you have any argument for Vader to win...why dont you address anything i said?...I listed a dozen reason's why Doom would subjugate Vader and all you could say was:
"actually, i do read all the posts reguarding arguements i'm part of. I just get tired of people repeating the same information and treating it as if it was something new. YOU should go back and read the page after page of "force vs cosmic" without acting like you're the first one to mention the thing. Hell, i used the same exact arguements, as did you... it got us nowhere!"
I didnt get us no where...what are you talking about...I posted several long ass paragraphs why Doom would win... you have no argument....u dont even know the name of the first Dark Jedi... you dont even know the material that you are trying to argue...this is pathetic...if anyone wants to know why Doom would beat Vader....just read my last half dozen posts...there you will find twenty reasons why Doom would win
all your arguements amounted to surfer having better control over cosmic vs vader's control over force, and doom being able to mind switch....
plus you brought in THEORIES (which are hardly proven and only mildly accepted) about the creation of our universe, etc. Anything amounting to the big bang THEORY should not be used as "fact" when debating an issue (even one partaining to fiction).
as i have also said.... the force created the SW galaxy, and all life in it.... simple as that. Force is in CONSTANT control and is an omnipresent being/pressense. Sure, my responds to your arguements are a lot shorter, but they are there, and direct responses, and even though i dont mumble on for a page on irrelevance, my point does contradict yours.
So the Force created only a galaxy? The Power Cosmic exist in universes. The are alternative universe Galactuses in the Marvel Universe. So the Force is limited but Power Cosmic can exist anywhere in the multiverse. The Power Cosmic was also working in the DC universe as well right? Where as Flash couldn't access his Speed Force when he was in the MU.
Power Cosmic pwnz the Force
but dont characters from other galaxies that go to the SW galaxy have no access to the force since it only exists in that one galaxy?
...ooops has anyone seen Kontraz' argument? 😆
and dont tell me about theories...Entropy is a real presence in any chemical reaction, however from what you say about star wars, it doesnt exist in their galaxy...you still havent said anything about how Vader would survive any of the intellectual assualts of Dooms...and i never mentioned anything about mind switchs
In my opinion, it's pointless to mention that one power in one universe doesn't work in another when battles are made in this forum. If it's not on a nuetral basis where the powers of both characters work as they would in their own respective universes, then there's no point to bringing up most fights, cause it wouldn't even be a a fair fight if one character couldn't use their powers like they normally would.
And the Force itself may be quite powerful, but Vader still can't use it to it's full potential, and his suit does provide Doom an easily accessible weakness. It has the potential to be a good bout, but I put my money on Doom.
Originally posted by Kontraz
all your arguements amounted to surfer having better control over cosmic vs vader's control over force, and doom being able to mind switch....plus you brought in THEORIES (which are hardly proven and only mildly accepted) about the creation of our universe, etc. Anything amounting to the big bang THEORY should not be used as "fact" when debating an issue (even one partaining to fiction).
as i have also said.... the force created the SW galaxy, and all life in it.... simple as that. Force is in CONSTANT control and is an omnipresent being/pressense. Sure, my responds to your arguements are a lot shorter, but they are there, and direct responses, and even though i dont mumble on for a page on irrelevance, my point does contradict yours.
Where's the logic ?
I know it's a comic discussion, and I know nobody cares too much about scientific rules and physics, cause it's just a fight between two comic characters, but still...
=> declaring that Anything amounting to the big bang THEORY should not be used as "fact" when debating an issue (even one partaining to fiction) and at the same time coming up with theories about a non existing Force is a bit laughable. It's bad enough to compare the Marvel universe with the Star Wars universe, but don't compare a not existing galaxy with a real one.
And all this just to try to prove Darth Vader has a chance against Dr. Doom...
-the force only exists in one galaxy
-only people from that galaxy can use force
-when people from other galxies travel to SW galaxy they cannot access the force
-the force was supposed to have created that galaxy but not in the continuity of the other galaxies of that universe, and not in a big bang?
-the SW galaxy does not possess the same laws of physics or entropy as the rest of the universe but still manages to have the same kind of galaxy and solar systems and planets whos orbits rely on entropy and physics in our universe
-the force has never demonstrated any cosmic level type feats in its chronology except at the beginning when it ALLEGEDLY created a galaxy
-CHARACTERS who wield the power cosmic and greater powers have destroyed and created planets, stars, galaxies, and whole universes(Franklin Richards created a whole universe without demonstrating any difficulty)
-Luke Skywalker strains to pull a lightsaber 5 feet into his hand
-Luke Skywalker beats Vader? (albeit he is more adept in using the force at this point)
-Luke cuts off Vader's mechanical hand?
-lightsabers create archs of gravitational energy
-Vader can absorb any amount of energy using the force?
-Cosmic beings can rearrange their enemies molecules
-Cosmic beings can rearrange molecules of enemies environment
-Cosmic beings can change enemies metabolism to turn them into a statue (for example)
-Cosmic beings do not exchange gasses or chemicals or energy with their environment
-cosmic beings are most all virtually indestructable compared to cellular organisms
-the power Cosmic totally sustains cosmic beings
-cosmic beings have metabolisms that are greater than a star ship since they travel past the speed of light and unleash enough power to create or destroy whole planets on a regular bases
-Jedi have metabolism that are slightly more efficient than regular humans
-they have great stamina but still must eventually eat or drink
Jedi never unleash any impressive amounts of energy compared to cosmic beings...almost as impressive sometimes, but this was only in a couple freak instances, not every day like cosmic beings in the marvel universe
-Jedi exchange gasses, chemicals, energy with their environment or they die
-Vader needs a respirator and protective suit or he dies
-Vader has lost limbs and body parts but replaced them with mechanical ones
-Doom has lost limbs or body parts but his beyond cosmic power regenerated them
-Doom can assualt Vader's biology without using energy attacks
-Doom can asualt Vader's mechanics without using energy attacks
-Doom can decay the orbits of Vader's subatomic particles, disintigrating Vader
-Doom's Armor is virtually indestructable can withstand any assualt for a limited amount of time
-Dooms force field can protect him from energy attacks for a finite amount of time
-Vader can suck the life from beings in his galaxy with force grip or force lightning (irresistable)
-Vader has never attempted Force lightning or force grip on beings from Marvel universe
-Doom is more intelligent and inventive than any character in the star wars universe
-Dooms mind has let him defeat omnipotent beings like the beyonder who could create or destroy galaxies and allegedly destroy the whole universe with no effort
-Doom's intelligence would find a way to defend himself from the force
-Doom would defeat Vader
-the power cosmic is more powerful than the force
Originally posted by Wynndar
but dont characters from other galaxies that go to the SW galaxy have no access to the force since it only exists in that one galaxy?...ooops has anyone seen Kontraz' argument? 😆
and dont tell me about theories...Entropy is a real presence in any chemical reaction, however from what you say about star wars, it doesnt exist in their galaxy...you still havent said anything about how Vader would survive any of the intellectual assualts of Dooms...and i never mentioned anything about mind switchs
um.... starwars hasn't had any "official" crossovers, buddy.... don't hurt yourself trying to think about marvel chars using the force...
Originally posted by who?-kid
Lol, now I've seen it all. You clearly ignore a true scientific fact (big bang theory, though it's not proved, it's generally accepted no question about it), you throw this "hardly proved theory" in the trashcan and a second later you are talking jibberish about the fact that the force created the Star Wars galaxy (something that only happened in Star Wars continuity, not in any other continuity !!). So you're saying : the real Big Bang sucks and is not proved, but The Force, aha, that's something else...!!Where's the logic ?
I know it's a comic discussion, and I know nobody cares too much about scientific rules and physics, cause it's just a fight between two comic characters, but still...
=> declaring that Anything amounting to the big bang THEORY should not be used as "fact" when debating an issue (even one partaining to fiction) and at the same time coming up with theories about a non existing Force is a bit laughable. It's bad enough to compare the Marvel universe with the Star Wars universe, but don't compare a not existing galaxy with a real one.
And all this just to try to prove Darth Vader has a chance against Dr. Doom...
big bang theory is actually being more and more discredited every year (dont read national geographic, do ya?) Now scientists are leaning more over toward the "infinite universe" where there was no creation.