next...Vader and the force do not opperate on the same level of power as Doom and many cosmic beings in the marvel universe...the power cosmic is far more vast than the force...the force exist in the galaxy of the star wars universe and is considered the highest level of power...however, it is not nearly as powerful as the power cosmic...u place Vader on space ship and blow it up....he would die...place Doom on that same space ship and he would survive the explosion...if he were cosmic doom he could blink and blow up vader in his star destroyer...Vader cannot absorb an unlimited amount of energy just because he is the embodiment of the force...are you saying u could throw vader into a Star and he would absorb it...no he can't...dont be retarded! that is the level of the silver surfer he can absorb a star...the beyonder had enough power the create a whole universe and billions of stars...a little more impressive than Skywalker lifting an x-wing...i know skywalker is not Vader but he is strong enough to challenge vader...but my point is that Doom has humbled both the Surfer and Beyonder...he is also smart enough to defeat and steal the power of a Watcher, a being almost as old as the universe and with enough personal power to fight Galactus..the Force is not all powerful....other wise Jedi would not need to eat or even breath...because they wouldnt need sustenence just like a cosmic being...however, Vader is beyond that...he cant even survive under his own power! he is on a respirator....and he is supposed to be all powerful? why isnt he absorbing energy from his environment to sustain the cells in his body? its because he is a finite being...this argument is ridiculous Doom could blast a hole right through Vader...he probably wouldnt do it that way though, far too primitive for someone like doom he would probably just cause some kind of EMP burst to short out Vader's respirator...or maybe transmit some kind of sonics to disrupt it too...or maybe just transmit some kind bio organic organism that would consume Vader's saber and suit...r u aware that Doom would probably know a way to absorb Vader's Force energy and the archs of gravitational energy of the lightsaber, quite easily...in fact Doom has employed lightsaber weapons in the past...he dispatched Technarx the techno organic creature who assimilated anything he came into physical contact with...
see, this is what you guys aren't paying attention to.... the force is the strongest entity/power/etc in any continuity. it is existance itself. Vader's USE of the force is not. Vader's USE of the force is weaker than the poewr cosmic, yet the force itself is INFINATELY greater.
also, how do you suggest doom "blast a hole right through vader"? Vader has stopped a turbo laser with his hand (no, not the one han shot at him, the same kind of turbo lazer used on star destroyers).
The Power Cosmic is basically the Marvel equivallent to the Force. Silver Surfer uses it to travel at light speed, re-arrange matter on the molecular level, and sustain him without eating/breathing.
Apparently, Vader can't do any of these things with the Force. hmm...I can see which is greater...can you?
Ok, well the thread is "Vader vs Doom", not "Force vs everything else" Seeing as Doom has, and can steal the power cosmic again if he needs to, he wins. Vader's control of the force is nothing compared to Doom's control over...anything. Doom literally does whatever the **** he wants, and the only person who can stop him his Richards(even Richards doesn't always succeed against Doom). Who does Vader have a problem with? A princess, his own son, and a smuggler. Doom would never let his own son even backtalk him, let alone lead a weak ass rebellion.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
The Power Cosmic is basically the Marvel equivallent to the Force. Silver Surfer uses it to travel at light speed, re-arrange matter on the [b]molecular level, and sustain him without eating/breathing.Apparently, Vader can't do any of these things with the Force. hmm...I can see which is greater...can you? [/B]
dude, cosmic is way stronger than the force
Lightspeed hands and mind
Anakin was sitting on a pillow when he heard a sound. Snapping up his lightsaber he rushed into the over room. His best friend, Greof was twisting from multiple blaster shots. Whizzing into action he sped towards the closest one.
Meanwhile... Captain Yssog of the imperial clone force XXXVI targeted the subject, and fired, perfectly compensating for the force users speed, simultaneously with one of his privates.
Anakin smashed his lightsaber through the gun of the clone and it's head. It died. Then he put his lightsaber back in it's holder, it barely registering on his mind that the force had distinguished between the two blasts, identified one firing a millisecond before the other, put his sword in the way, then switched to the other side, deflecting both in a fatal way.
He picked up his friends body, and dragged him outside. Calling up the last dregs of life in his friend, the rejection of the invaders by the planet, the storm troopers copied mitochondria that hated this shadow of an existence, and even the fragile mind of the ships bombarding the planet, though they wanted to nurture it, and gathered it... no that's not the right word, nurtured it, and pulled every storm trooper, every ship, every bolt of light, beyond the canopy of gravity into a euphoric charge, against, with the massive gathering above him/us/all into the moon. There was an irridisant flash. He didn't care. He went back inside to tell his friend's family what had happened.
The power of the force is unbeatable in the right hands. However, a dark Vader would probably fail. He could stop mind tricks, break shields, and much more but it just comes down to the fact that Doom is more skilled at fighting. You can assume that no writer would allow instant kills, like a chest shot or a force grip. To a deegre they would cancel out each other's skills. Doom has more skills
However if you had somebody like Luke fighting, in one of the later stories when he is infinitely more powerful he'd probably find a way to win. Or that child of his that got doused in pure pain. Or that bloke that pulled a ship out of a star. The super force'ed one. 👽
Originally posted by Ytaker
The power of the force is unbeatable in the right hands. However, a dark Vader would probably fail. He could stop mind tricks, break shields, and much more but it just comes down to the fact that Doom is more skilled at fighting. You can assume that no writer would allow instant kills, like a chest shot or a force grip. To a deegre they would cancel out each other's skills. Doom has more skillsHowever if you had somebody like Luke fighting, in one of the later stories when he is infinitely more powerful he'd probably find a way to win. Or that child of his that got doused in pure pain. Or that bloke that pulled a ship out of a star. The super force'ed one. 👽