Originally posted by Creechuur
Well, I was done with this, but you dared me, so here I go:I can 'choose' not to take care of my kids, that doesn't mean its not my duty.
The 'planet' is not overpopulated. Urban centers are overpopulated. Who wants to live in the country when you can live in Fancy New York City? There is a lot of empty space on this planet.
Why do you keep bringing up the 'having 10 kids' thing? I never once even hinted that a person should be that irresponsible. Basically nature dictates how many children you should have. Cats have litters of multiple kittens because their lifespan is short and their chance of survival is quite low. Insects have hundreds, sometimes thousands of offspring, since they get killed left and right. Humans, on the other hand, rarely have more than one baby at a time. Back in the day, when standards of living were lower, people needed to have more babies since you never knew how many would die of some plague or wild animal attack or whatever. Nowadays I don't think people really need to have more than one or two kids, and I agree that having more is irresponsible. That doesn't change the fact that it is our biological duty.
You can say what you want about the current world situation, for every bad point you bring up, I can bring up two positive ones. I choose to be optimistic, and try to give my kids the best possible environment for them to thrive in, so that they might...wait for it...grow up and be mature enough to be decent parents.
Saying that gays are irresposible for not procreating may very well be rude to those programmed by today's PC society, but it is my opinion, so live with it. I will not be bullied into an opinion based on how many people I might insult. If you have a problem with that I suggest you grow some mental callouses.
I think kids are irresponsible and selfish too, and I love kids.
Finally, each time you have sex (even safe sex) you are practicing for the big moment when that action results in a baby. Therefore, when you are looking for sex, you are looking to procreate. Its instinctual, programmed into our genes. Everything you do that has to do with staying healthy, looking good, and attracting the opposite sex are all so you can make a baby, you obviously just don't know it. Like I said, do some research, my opinons are based on psychlogical and biological theories that have been around for years.
Omega, do you even have kids?
First of all, gays are not irresponsible. They cannot have children, and they don't choose to be gay. That's just the way they are, so learn to deal with it. Some gays adopt kids, (or try to) which is very responsible IMO. Well, theoretically, lesbians can have kids, but it seems like that whole microsurgery business would be a little expensive... And gay males obviously can't.
Yes, animals are there to prolong their species. Humans were originally here to do the same. Just that there's so damned many of us by now that we can afford to slow down a little.
About the "empty space"--actually, you seem very misinformed on this. Firstly, ever heard of something called the environment? See, you can't just put people wherever you want to, because that requires clearing land for people to live on, which requires forcing out anything else that was already there. Why can't we just knock all the trees down and plow over all the grass? Lemme think... Maybe... Because we need nature to live? Everything, and I mean everything, that you use on a daily basis, comes from nature, even if indirectly. Plastic is made from oil, which is made by compressing organic matter over billions of years. Obviously, wood comes from nature. And oh yeah, food. If we got rid of all the space, how would we make food? The earth doesn't have an unlimited amount of resources, believe it or not, and being so optimistic that you think you can DESTROY all those resources "for the good of the species" is just plain stupid. We are not the only species on this planet and if we were we probably wouldn't be here right now. Furthermore, people don't all live in NYC, an increasing number of people are doing just what you described--moving into developments in previously rural areas. It's not a good thing either.
Finally, humans have more responsibilities than other animals. We have a responsibility to make sure all the other organisms here don't disappear because of our reckless overpopulating. If everything else dies off, it is inevitable that the same will eventually happen to us. Better to have a smaller, stable population of humans than a larger, rapidly expanding population.
Originally posted by BackFire
Gays are irresponsible.......😂 What an irrelevant statement. No discussing homosexuals in this thread please. There is no reason to bring such irresponsible and irrelevant statements about gay people into a thread about having kids.Selfishness is part of humanity, it is a humans instinctual concern to stay alive, and live as comfortably as possible. Everyone is selfish, like it or not. In fact, the majority of people who have kids do it for selfish reasons.
And overpopulation is indeed a concern. By the year 2040, there will be nearly 10 billion people on this earth, and in another 40 years, probably 15 billion and so on. All because people are "doing their duty" a little too well. The only way to ensure that the next generation of people won't all be starving is to cut back on the amount of unnecessary children people irresponsibly have.
I heard of some theory or other that says that when a species gets to prolific for its ecosystem to support then natural law dictates that is WILL decline in numbers. I should think that before our numbers reach 15 billion there will be some sort of cataclysm - think of the drain on resouces and the effects that'll have; especially with all the inefficiency.
OK OK, I'll admit it...
I guess I should change my title from Ish Disturber to Devils Advocate. Most of what I said was my opinon, and a lot more was based on stuff I have read or otherwise digested over the years. Really though, I was just taking a stance to push some buttons...its so easy to get you people riled up. I mean c'mon, do you really think I would want our nice planet to become like Coruscant, with people covering the entire surface?
Ewww.
I do honestly believe its our responsibility to have children, but certainly not all of us. There a lot of bloodlines that are just diluting the gene pool. If they choose not to procreate, all the better for the species. Darwinism and all that, y'know. So, to all of you who choose not to have kids, thank you for not passing on whatever is wrong with you to a new generation.
"I heard of some theory or other that says that when a species gets to prolific for its ecosystem to support then natural law dictates that is WILL decline in numbers."
Absolutely. That theory was actually in the same book as the 'biological duty to reproduce' theory. AIDS, war, abortion, even our instinctual tendency towards violence as a problem solver, all those things and more help to keep the population down. Those things all seem so horrible on the surface, but ironically they are necassary for our survival.
Overpopulation is certainly a growing problem, but as with most things, its better to educate and act responsibly than to simply not particiapte in your species continuance...unless your genes suck. 😈
Sorry Finti, but I believe that a man and a woman are best suited to raise children. Same sex couples cannot give a child what he/she needs, IMO. Gender roles are very important to shaping identity and an individuals place within society. I was raised by a single mom, and I think I missed out on a lot not having a male role model in my early life.well you are entitled to your opinion
Creech> "We have more than enough resources for everyone, we've just forgotten how to share like good boys and girls." Oh, so within the next week, the leaders of the world will all aree TO share? Yes, I read the UN report that says, that with more efficient recycling, better treatment of natural ressources, and more research into renewable energy-ressouces the planet could sustain 10 billion people - no problem. but welcome to the real world, where that won't happen.
Or are you going to claim there is no starvation, hunger and epidemics in the world??
A statement like "We jst ahve to look for other means of energy and ressources... and move on" is extremely short-sighted and shows an amazing lack of knowledge of the state of the world. You keep accusing me of being selfish - yet yor own statements shows that you're atually exactly what you accuse me of being.
I suggest you cough up that bible, and forget your homophobia. Being afraid of gay people because they can't have kids and accusing them of being selfish because of that is somewhere near the most ridicilous I have ever heard.
And frankly, I think some gay couples may be better suited as parents, than some straight couples.
"But the bedrock of my stance is based on accepted bilogical theories." Says you, huh?
"There a lot of bloodlines that are just diluting the gene pool." Bloodlines?? Type A og B... or what are you talking about?
And those who, today, choose not to have kids are usually highly intelligent academics, while the poor and uneducated have many.
"So, to all of you who choose not to have kids, thank you for not passing on whatever is wrong with you to a new generation."
Not really...
Fire> I know. If anything this thread has shown that while many of us think that not everyone should have children, how that should be regulated is not clear at all. I'd like to think further than a 17-year old boy and girl, who'll drop out of school and center their lives on a baby. I'd rather they waited until they were really ready. And with ready I do not necessarily mean just money-wise - I mean time and space wise, if you understand?
BF>"In fact, the majority of people who have kids do it for selfish reasons." Exactly. And having read Spadesmammas post, I'll stand firmly on the opinion that not everybody is fit to have, nor raise children, and that it is NOT our duty to procreate.
Finti> So, lesbian women just go out and have sex with a strange man?? While I agree it is a possibility, don't you think it a it akward to say it is "Just like that"? And what about gay men?
Line> Well, then we probably disagree on educating people to maybe have an abortion, when the couple in question is in no way ready to care for a new human being. I would rather young people, without money, job and a place in life WAIT.
"Having a child is a personal matter."
Ah, but that is not exactly true. Especially not if social services need to remove the child from un-fit parents, when society has to provide day-care and kindergardens and schools.