Omega, In the US you gan get free education up to grade 12. After that you have to go to college. And that is extreemly expensive. But the Military has a deal. If you join the Military they will pay for your college. So alot of lower income people did that in like 1997-8 And now they find them selves in Iraq.
Originally posted by The Omega
Darth> Uh! There’s no free education in the US??? Without joining the military?
And about the Great Depression. A lot of factors contributed to that. The 1929 stock market crash which marked the beginning of the Great Depression ushered in a period of immiseration for virtually the entire working class. By 1932 it was estimated that 75 percent of the population was living in poverty, and fully one-third was unemployed. And in many places, Black unemployment rates were two, three, or even four times those of white workers.
What tpt said... there's public education up through high school, after that, further education is generally very very expensive.
a draft just so that more can go to Irag or Afghanistan is ridiculous and unecessary...it would almost mirror the situation in Vietnam
i'm against it for that reason only...but if it were say a huge military invasion of our country, no need for a draft just give me a gun...it may be a vain attempt to protect what i feel is important to me, but better that than cower somewhere in a tropical setting just because one does not want to die, but then who does...want to die?? not you...certainly not me...
there is no motivation for anyone who is drafted to fight for a country that certainly does not want them there let alone the regular army...
Originally posted by The Omega
Linkalicious> You can’t stop terrorist by blowing up a country. Nor stop drugs by blowing up the drug dealers. There will be ten more standing in line to replace them. It’s the wrong strategy, don’t you see that. Educate people, relieve poverty and famine in 3rd world countries and remove the reasons behind drug-use and terrorism. THAT would make ME feel better. I don’t know about you.
Obviously not Omega. But does that mean we should stop arresting drug dealers and terrorists? should we just let them do what they want? Bush led his "war on terror" so that people would understand that their actions would not go without punishment. He also did this because he needed to show that the US wouldn't just sit there and let people attack them without doing SOMETHING. I do agree that you can't stop terrorists, but i do not agree that there will always be 10 to replace them. Somewhere in there instead of fueling their fire...it will discourage them. Why haven't repeats of 9/11 happened? because primary supporters and larger compounds of terrorists have been broken down...it's more difficult for them to communicate with one another than it was 5 years ago.
Last i recall Iraq was still in one piece. Actually, if memory suits me correcly...i believe we're in there trying to rebuild what we demolished in the 1st place.
Education only does so much. I've been educated on the usage of drugs.....doesn't do ANYTHING to stop me from doing them.
Drugs and terrorists will always exsist...just limiting the numbers and policing them is the best we as a people can do.
Link> Thing is... most of the people we've killed haven't been terrorists at all, which, if anything, only makes people more angry at us and possibly breeds new terrorists. The reason repeats of 9/11 haven't happened is because there is more "behind the scenes" stuff going on than we hear about. You would be surprised at how many attempts at terrorism have actually been foiled. It is not because we've gotten rid of a significant amount of terrorists. Wouldn't it be better if we got the countries that are home to terrorism to like us, rather than making them more angry for blowing them up? Killing a lot of people in the hopes of killing a terrorist, even if you do kill a terrorist, accomplishes very little other than breeding more hate for our country. People say Clinton "just looks good" because there was no 9/11 when he was in office. You know why there wasn't? Because people liked us back then.
People say Clinton "just looks good" because there was no 9/11 when he was in office. You know why there wasn't? Because people liked us back then.
Not true. The Middle East hated us for supporting Israel. The US was directly attacked by Al-quade, the Twin Towers were bombed, but that was minor. The USS Cole was bombed. Somalians hated us.
Anyway, there's no need to fear a draft. It won't happen. Not for a hundred years. We have enough nukes, cruise missles, planes, tanks and other tech to stop any army. Relax.
Originally posted by I am a Sock
Not true. The Middle East hated us for supporting Israel. The US was directly attacked by Al-quade, the Twin Towers were bombed, but that was minor. The USS Cole was bombed. Somalians hated us.
They hated us for supporting Israel because of what Israel was doing... Coming into what the Palestinians had come to think of as their home, and insisting that since they were there first, thousands of years ago, it was theirs. And the Israeli army isn't exactly nice when it comes to controlling Palestinians.
Tpt> Okay, thanks for the info.
Darth> Yep, I read it 🙂 I think that’s kinda scary. I mean that you have to have rich parents to go to college or university.
And, hey. I still like “you” 🙂 Please, don’t think all Europeans and Middle-Easterners are anti-American! I’m not too keen on the Bush-administration and its policies. Doesn’t mean I think every single American backs it up. Would be the same as people accusing me of all the crap the Danish PM’s doing… BlaergH!
Link> “But does that mean we should stop arresting drug dealers and terrorists?” Did I say that? No, I didn’t. But the whole ”war on drugs” and ”war on terrorism” makes me uneasy. I’ve heard of some laws being passed in the US that infringes on personal liberties in the “holy” name of “war against terrorism.”
You cannot make drug-use and terror go away by blowing up fields, people and countries. For every Al-Queda terrorist being shot, ten more while sign up. So obviously the way we’re trying to deal with terrorism today is NOT working.
“Bush led his "war on terror" so that people would understand that their actions would not go without punishment.” Hello? Why does Bush only interfere with SOME peoples actions and overlooking others? Sorry, I don’t buy that.
“He also did this because he needed to show that the US wouldn't just sit there and let people attack them without doing SOMETHING.” Why’s Osama Bin Laden still at large?
And what does Iraq have to do with 9/11? Saddam Hussein had zip to do with Al-Queda. That muslim fraction was outlawed in Iraq.
“I do agree that you can't stop terrorists, but i do not agree that there will always be 10 to replace them. Somewhere in there instead of fueling their fire...it will discourage them.”
Why’s the IRA still at it after decades? Why’s the ETA still at large? Sorry, but look at the Israel/Palestian conflict. No amount of bloodshed deters either side. It just escalates.
“Why haven't repeats of 9/11 happened?” Morocco? Indonesia? Does terror only have to happen in the US for it to count?
“Last i recall Iraq was still in one piece. Actually, if memory suits me correcly...i believe we're in there trying to rebuild what we demolished in the 1st place.” We? Are you in Iraq? Why’s the coalition leaving the place next month?
“Drugs and terrorists will always exsist.” Who told you that?
I am sock> But nukes, missiles, planes and tanks didn’t stop 9/11. The wars of the future probably won’t be the way they used to, but the way we see them now. Intelligence will be like gold. But for that, you don’t need the draft either.
All> Well, ultimately I’d like to get rid of armies and wars. How does United States of Earth sound? … Okay, I’m allowed to dream from time to time (sighs).
I am sock> But nukes, missiles, planes and tanks didn’t stop 9/11. The wars of the future probably won’t be the way they used to, but the way we see them now. Intelligence will be like gold. But for that, you don’t need the draft either.
wars of the future will either be like the war in Iraq, or the Matrix. Take your pick. To get good intel, we need spies, human spies. A draft won't help our mil, it will only kill it.
Hello? Why does Bush only interfere with SOME peoples actions and overlooking others? Sorry, I don’t buy that.
Bush is doing it in alpha order. First Afganistan, then Iraq, then N. Korea, then, for the hell of it, Zaire. Ok, so I got that from SNL, it's still good. Believe me, I want Bush to know out every dictator. Will he go 3 wars in 4 years?
Where is Bin Laden....no one knows. Best bet? Probably in a hole in the ground similar to the one Sadam was found in. He sure the hell isn't anywhere civilized....hope he enjoys his new life.
Why will terrorists always exsist? Because there will always be someone who has a bad day. Someone will be laid off, or dumped, or cheated on...and they will lash out against society.
As long as their is crime in this world. There will always be terrorists or criminals.
What did you really honestly expect the US to do when they had two planes flown into the twin towers? Apologize to Bin Laden for making him so angry that he would do something like that? Hunting him down and making an example for him isn't going to be the best answer...but is it AN ANSWER none the less.
Wanna blame someone....blame religion. It's been telling people what they should and should not do all their exsistence. It's been telling people how to think all their lives. This isn't brother vs brother like it should be......religion makes it "them" vs. "us"
Link> “What did you really honestly expect the US to do when they had two planes flown into the twin towers? Apologize to Bin Laden for making him so angry that he would do something like that? Hunting him down and making an example for him isn't going to be the best answer...but is it AN ANSWER none the less.”
But Osama Bin Laden wasn’t ruling Afghanistan. Nor Iraq.
” Wanna blame someone....blame religion.” Which religion? All of them?
I am sock> But who is Bush to say what leader is a dictator and who isn’t? Doesn’t he become one himself in the process?
Topic? What topic… (Scrolls up) Oh, the… draft… Ehrm…
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