Bush calls for gay marriage ban

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am sorry, but serious discussion or no do I really have to sit here and listen to someone saying that they want to 'take out' homosexuality? I find that extremely offensive.

sorry ush if that's offensive but that's the plan

lil 😂

Originally posted by Viper
Ever hear of prison rape?

What the bloody hell?!

How in hell does that make people homosexuals!??!?!?!?!

RApe is an act of rage not passion!

Well no it's not exactly the same, but when you place a group of men together for long periods of time what happens?

Well, I do not care if it is the plan. You have no business here telling people that homosexuality should be 'taken out' any more than any of us have to say that you should not be allowed to be a Christian. So please refrain from such comments.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I find it hard to disbelieve. As Link said earlier, it is a basic piece of psychology that environment has a drastic effect on all aspects of a person's personality.

I still think it's impossible to use enviroment to change sexuality. There is no proof on this and it's just pure conjecture.

Originally posted by Viper
Well no it's not exactly the same, but when you place a group of men together for long periods of time what happens?

I know you are supporting my argument, but I would be very hesistant to confuse experiences like that with sexual re-orientation.

Originally posted by Sugar Kane
In other words, you like fornicating with the ladies, so that should be dealt with later...? 😄 😛 Saucy boy!

i'm not a perfect christian 😮 but i am still a virgin.. until i get married 😱 TO A WOMAN 😄

Originally posted by Raz
I have no doubt enviroment effects personality, drastically sometimes. But sexuality, I find that hard to believe.

I still think it's impossible to use enviroment to change sexuality. There is no proof on this and it's just pure conjecture.

I'll happily put myself forwards as personal proof. Frankly, your ideas that it is something you are born with are certainly pure conjecture.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I know you are supporting my argument, but I would be very hesistant to confuse experiences like that with sexual re-orientation.

No no, there's obvious differences between a violent act and an act between two consenting adults. I just wanted to make the point that enviroment can have an effect on sexual behavior.

Thats the thing Ush. How do you or I know you aren't just supressing something? Can you really be sure?

Well, I don't think many ppl would argue with you Raz, but maybe in extreme cases...

What if a boy grew up with two gay parents? Wouldn't that have some effect?

Originally posted by Raz
I have no doubt enviroment effects personality, drastically sometimes. But sexuality, I find that hard to believe.

I still think it's impossible to use enviroment to change sexuality. There is no proof on this and it's just pure conjecture.

Agreed...agian.
Gay couples who have children should by that deffinition be gay...and they are not, suprisingly enough!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I do not care if it is the plan. You have no business here telling people that homosexuality should be 'taken out' any more than any of us have to say that you should not be allowed to be a Christian. So please refrain from such comments.

well would "make straight" be better? 😕

Originally posted by The Force
i'm not a perfect christian 😮

sounds familiar, TF???

Originally posted by Raz
Thats the thing Ush. How do you or I know you aren't just supressing something? Can you really be sure?

I am as sure as any reasonable person can be, and I think my experience- and the experiences of others I have been with- count for a lot more than your opinion. Also your distinction of 'personality' and 'sexuality' strikes me as unusual. Why do you think sexuality is a closed peice of personality that environment cannot affect? There are plenty of examples in psychology of this sort of thing.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, I do not care if it is the plan. You have no business here telling people that homosexuality should be 'taken out' any more than any of us have to say that you should not be allowed to be a Christian. So please refrain from such comments.

It seems that some 'sins' are more acceptable than others...which kind of goes against the idea of organised religion, don't you think? Fornication is still fornication, no matter who it is with- it just seems like a convenient excuse to get down on people for a lifestyle that you don't agree with. 😕

Originally posted by Laviera_j
Well, I don't think many ppl would argue with you Raz, but maybe in extreme cases...

What if a boy grew up with two gay parents? Wouldn't that have some effect?

I answered that! NO!

Supprisingly enough, children brought up with gay parents do not turn gay ! 😱

true. R U a Christian Yersott?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Agreed...agian.
Gay couples who have children should by that deffinition be gay...and they are not, suprisingly enough!

Actually- you will find they are more likely to be. That is certainly known.

Originally posted by Sugar Kane
It seems that some 'sins' are more acceptable than others...which kind of goes against the idea of organised religion, don't you think? Fornication is still fornication, no matter who it is with- it just seems like a convenient excuse to get down on people for a lifestyle that you don't agree with. 😕

Let me tell you a deffinition of a sin - basicly ANYTHING that will benefit you in any way, gives you pleasure of any kind...is a sin!