Batman with gadgets is overkill; he's got better weapons that Captain America's shield and he's more intelligent. Plus what if Batman catches Captain America's shield and uses it as his own? How screwed would Cap be if he was facing his own shield and explosive batarangs? Bats would win this simply because there are so many ways for him to win: via explosive batarangs, sleeping gas, fear gas, liquid nitrogen capsules, electrified titanium bolas; everything.
Originally posted by lifeisaglichThe one you're thinking of is definitely non-canon. It was voted on by the fans. Batman has more fans and more fanboys than Cap. He's more popular and thus won. I've heard JLA/Avengers has been referred to in other DC books. That would make it canon if it's true.
I seem to remember a crossover where batman beat the Cap.Well since as we are using crossovers batman wins, more skilled and everything.
Originally posted by brazDamn good post
anytime bro. Bats def takes this, but just str8 up h2h wise, thaats a different story.
I said this before and I'll say it again.
Look at Steve Rogers before becoming Captain America. He was nothing but a skinny wimp. The Military tested him with the serum and lord and behold! He's all muscles. Any puke can do that.
Whereas Batman is the perfect fighter. Years of training, discipline his body, and self control have led Bruce Wayne to be the better man than Steve Rogers. Only once Batman tried an enhance product known as "venom" He regret it and since then he had build his body to be all athletic machine.
Sure! Captain is far more stronger. Heck! anyone can be stronger and more faster with enhance products.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Look at Steve Rogers before becoming Captain America. He was nothing but a skinny wimp. The Military tested him with the serum and lord and behold! He's all muscles. Any puke can do that.
Whereas Batman is the perfect fighter. Years of training, discipline his body, and self control have led Bruce Wayne to be the better man than Steve Rogers.
Sure! Captain is far more stronger. Heck! anyone can be stronger and more faster with enhance products.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Maybe, but serum or no serum, Rogers is a strategical genius and has more willpower and courage than most heroes. That didn't come with the serum you know.
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Don't forget his money Bruce inherited, so he could study at fancy schools and be taught by the best.
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So you are saying Captain America wins ? He should win, he is stronger, faster, more experienced and doesn't tire.
He has "more experience" but its not useful experience. Just years of practicing judo and kick boxing on German soldiers.
Originally posted by who?-kidHe is basically peak human potential meaning that at best he's SLIGHTY in better shape than most other non powered superheroes anyway. He really isnt that much better than Batman. And as far as experience is concened that's kind of irrelevant considering the way comic canon works they essentially have just as much experience(Slightly favoring Batman since he trained at a younger age than Cap)
So you are saying Captain America wins ? He should win, he is stronger, faster, more experienced and doesn't tire. [/B]
Another thing,Cap is pretty limited in what he can even do in this fight. His options are either fight Batman or throw his shield at him. Batman could literally beat his ass without even fighting Cap hand 2 hand. Cap could beat him in hand 2 hand possibly,but thats if he can outsmart Batman which i dont think he can.
I'm rooting for Batman here.I'll have to use the point system to judge this up. Skill in combat:Batman and Captain both display skill in combat so the both get 1.
Physical prowess: While Batman is in great condition the supersoldier makes Captain America one step above even the most powerful athlete. Batman:1,Captain:2
Weapons: Captain has a shield that blocks bullets and can be thrown to take care of guys at a distance but thats it.Batman's utility belts got ropes,batarangs,throwing stars,cuba masks,tranquil guns.Everything but the kitchen sink.
So it's even with Batman:2,Captain:2
Wits: One of the most decisive factors in a fight.We all know that Batman has been trained for years and most of his battles are run cause of his brain.Sorry Cap but Bat has you incredible outclassed. So it's Batman:3,Captain:2.
Batman wins but not without a good fight.
Originally posted by blind faithcap is just as smart as bats in battle
I'm rooting for Batman here.I'll have to use the point system to judge this up. Skill in combat:Batman and Captain both display skill in combat so the both get 1.Physical prowess: While Batman is in great condition the supersoldier makes Captain America one step above even the most powerful athlete. Batman:1,Captain:2
Weapons: Captain has a shield that blocks bullets and can be thrown to take care of guys at a distance but thats it.Batman's utility belts got ropes,batarangs,throwing stars,cuba masks,tranquil guns.Everything but the kitchen sink.
So it's even with Batman:2,Captain:2
Wits: One of the most decisive factors in a fight.We all know that Batman has been trained for years and most of his battles are run cause of his brain.Sorry Cap but Bat has you incredible outclassed. So it's Batman:3,Captain:2.Batman wins but not without a good fight.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf& it sounds like fanboy talk everytime
I said this before and I'll say it again.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfPerfect fighter? Bats isn't even the best MA in DC. Cap took the SSS in an act of patriotism. Bats became a junkie because he wanted an edge. 🙂
Look at Steve Rogers before becoming Captain America. He was nothing but a skinny wimp. The Military tested him with the serum and lord and behold! He's all muscles. Any puke can do that.Whereas Batman is the perfect fighter. Years of training, discipline his body, and self control have led Bruce Wayne to be the better man than Steve Rogers. Only once Batman tried an enhance product known as "venom" He regret it and since then he had build his body to be all athletic machine.
Sure! Captain is far more stronger. Heck! anyone can be stronger and more faster with enhance products.
Originally posted by blind faith
I'm rooting for Batman here.I'll have to use the point system to judge this up. Skill in combat:Batman and Captain both display skill in combat so the both get 1.Physical prowess: While Batman is in great condition the supersoldier makes Captain America one step above even the most powerful athlete. Batman:1,Captain:2
Weapons: Captain has a shield that blocks bullets and can be thrown to take care of guys at a distance but thats it.Batman's utility belts got ropes,batarangs,throwing stars,cuba masks,tranquil guns.Everything but the kitchen sink.
So it's even with Batman:2,Captain:2
Wits: One of the most decisive factors in a fight.We all know that Batman has been trained for years and most of his battles are run cause of his brain.Sorry Cap but Bat has you incredible outclassed. So it's Batman:3,Captain:2.Batman wins but not without a good fight.
Missed Agility and even though I know some people will argue this I'm going with Cap on agility. He just flaunts his a little more than Batman. Of course Cap has to use his agility more because he's a big, bright target, whereas Batman can make use of his cape in most situations.
Cap 3 Bat 3 OH S*$@! We're right back where we started!
Yup Cap is definitely more agile than Batman, but in terms of physical attributes I think its too close for that to matter. And Batman may be smart, but in battle he is not smarter than Cap. Captain America is a tactical mastermind, he's not half as stupid as people here are making him seem. He uses his wits in battle a lot, not merely relying on his shield.
That said, I think Batman takes a slight majority, 5.25/10, simply because of his arsenal
If he has to rely on his weapons to defeat Captain America, wouldn't that mean that he didn't have the right stuff to beat him without them?
Even with his gadgets, it remains inconclussive as to whether or not he could win against Captain America with the shield. Knockout gas, and tranq. darts would be a hollow victory, if Batman resorted to such a method to win, he'd look like a coward in my eyes.
Captain America has all of the tools to beat Batman physically. There has never been a comic written, that made Captain America out to be the dunce that people in this forum are attempting to exploit.
Combat wise Captain America has the edge when it comes to experience, he is much older than Batman, and has been in far more life and death wartime battles, Batman is an urban hero, Captain America is a war hero.
In the Avenger/JLA crossover Batman seemed pretty surprised as to how prepared Captain America was when they were in his Bat cave, which led me to believe that Batman, wouldn't have come to any conclussions on how to deal with major threats than Captain America.
Captain America has far better endurance, it is highly unlikely that Batman, would be able to knock him out in the first 30 minutes of a confrontation with him under optimal conditions (well rested), what would seem more likely is the fight would drag on long enough to show how much more endurance, agility, and strength Captain America has over Batman (which is why he has the edge). Captain America would inevitably see Batman becomming sluggish, as lactic acid begins to set into Batmans muscles, and knock him out. Any fighter knows that when your arms, and legs go out your finished.
Batman stated that it was conceivable that Captain America would/could defeat him, given time. Busiek himself agreed that Batman is outclassed when it comes to Captain America.
Batman should never be able to defeat Captain America without relying on cheap parlor tricks. After all they are comparatively equal in terms of fighting ability, but that is all. Making an argument about the Super Soldier Serum is a pointless route to travel, because at one point when Ron Lim sketched for the book, he no longer had it in his blood stream, this did not effect his performance in dealing with Bulleye, or Crossbones. All the same you can't just take away his powers to suit your debate on the outcome of this fight. Take away the Gamma Rays from Hulk, and all you have left is Banner. Put Superman under a red sun, and all you have is a man.