Originally posted by darthgoober
Question. At what age did Batman START studing martial arts?
I dont think it always works like that....what about Ras Al Ghul.....yeah you see what im getting at.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
(Stick and Ogun are likely better but they are both... ghosts... or something similar so they are omitted).
Apparently Wolverine fought stick to a standstill.....
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think it always works like that....what about Ras Al Ghul.....yeah you see what im getting at.Apparently Wolverine fought stick to a standstill.....
And before someone chimes in about him Mastering some of them AFTER he became Batman, I still don't see him having time, given his obsessive drive to hunt down criminals at every opportunity, and double life playing the part of a playboy who runs a multi billion dollar company. Now again being generous and saying that he somehow found the time to master 3 or 4 more styles, IMO there's NO WAY he has actually mastered more than 7.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No I don't really know what your getting at(I don't know a lot about Ras). But if we're going to be generous and say that Batman had been studying for, say 15 years BEFORE he started his career as Batman then that would mean that he mastered between 8 and 9 styles a year. Thats besides becoming a forensics expert, escape artist, chemist, etc.. Now I'll willingly give props to Batman for his intelligence, but I don't think that's physically possible for a human. He may have mastered several styles, and brushed up on the basics of the rest, but there is NO WAY he has MASTERED them all. He just didn't have time.And before someone chimes in about him Mastering some of them AFTER he became Batman, I still don't see him having time, given his obsessive drive to hunt down criminals at every opportunity, and double life playing the part of a playboy who runs a multi billion dollar company. Now again being generous and saying that he somehow found the time to master 3 or 4 more styles, IMO there's NO WAY he has actually mastered more than 7.
Ras AL Ghul is immortal...I think hes very old. Therefore he should be the best but hes not.
All humans in comic books are amped to a highier level and batman is a genuis.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
On to some other things. Batman isn't the 9th best fighter in all of comics. Despite what Batdude would have you believe, Batman is barely in the top ten of DC Martial Artists. Guess who holds the top stop in Marvel? Captain America! Not granted I think the other top guns like Elektra or Wolverine or close too if not his superior in skill but it is the opinion of Marvel characters that Captain America is the best (Stick and Ogun are likely better but they are both... ghosts... or something similar so they are omitted). Captain America is considered better then Shang Chi... by Shang Chi's own villains. The closest thing to Shang Chi in DC is Shiva or Dragon both of whom are better fighters then Batman (Dragon even called Bruce a talented amateurs!). And Captain America only knowing Judo is the second biggest myth surrounding Captain America (next to his shield being made of adamantium and vibranium). Captain America down right told Barron Zemo that he was proficient in every fighting style known to man (and that was what... in the 70s I think). There should be a scan of it on the forum somewhere... it was one of the first things I posted and it led into argument over the semantics of the word proficient with... DarkCrawler I think. Everything Batman has done in hand to hand Captain America has done, and he has done it better. Oh and yes Captain America is at least twice as strong as Batman. Even when he lost his power derived from the SSS he was still benching 800lbs and with it he has benched into 2000lbs with out breaking a sweet. Captain America is superhuman across the boards.
"WHAT THE F*CK?!!!" is all I can say to this. 😂 Not in the top 10 in DC????? How retarded is that?! Hmmm.....
He has a WINNING record on Lady Shiva (despite what he says about himself), he stalemated Cass on the sparring session (and was using only one arm for the majority of the fight), was winning against Bronze Tiger before he was tranqed (he only lost the fight before that because he was caught unaware), and stalemated Richard Dragon. Where did you get that kind of rubbish!!!???
And what you're saying about Captain America doesn't even matter. When it comes to PURE fighting skill, Batman is second to none. He flicked a guy in the forehead and KO'd him!!!! Pressure points rock the house. Now, Captain can just sock you in the face with a generic punch and get the same effect, but Batman can do that, along with the use of pressure points. Now, it may be admitted by other people that Cap is the best. However, when you look at his comics, he fights generically and w/o much PURE martial arts skills. Granted, his low-level superhuman abilities DO augment his fighting a lot. His agility is a great tool that he uses when he does his shit on the dance floor.
You talking about Captain America saying he knows EVERY single fighting style on the planet???? That's hyperbole and you know it. I'm surprised you actually brought it up. And don't go comparing Dragon to Chi.
Oh btw, Murda Mase posted a scan recently of Bruce benching close to 2000lbs as well. 😬 It appears he isn't as weak as you think srank!!!!
Not to mention the little fact about Batman being COMPLETELY ahead of Cap when it comes to versatility. With those toys in his belt, there's no way he loses the majority here. You realize that Batman can set his suit to "defend" and have it emit thousands of volts of electricity if anybody even touches it, right? Not to mention it IS armor, and would protect Bruce. It's defended him against superhuman assaults before. Electric batarangs, exploding batarangs, tracking batarangs, explosives, gas pellets, liquid nitrogen capsules, his torch, etc. would be the END of old Stevie boy!!!! 💃
Originally posted by batdude123
"WHAT THE F*CK?!!!" is all I can say to this. 😂 Not in the top 10 in DC????? How retarded is that?! Hmmm.....He has a WINNING record on Lady Shiva (despite what he says about himself), he stalemated Cass on the sparring session (and was using only one arm for the majority of the fight), was winning against Bronze Tiger before he was tranqed (he only lost the fight before that because he was caught unaware), and stalemated Richard Dragon. Where did you get that kind of rubbish!!!???
And what you're saying about Captain America doesn't even matter. When it comes to PURE fighting skill, Batman is second to none. He flicked a guy in the forehead and KO'd him!!!! Pressure points rock the house. Now, Captain can just sock you in the face with a generic punch and get the same effect, but Batman can do that, along with the use of pressure points. Now, it may be admitted by other people that Cap is the best. However, when you look at his comics, he fights generically and w/o much PURE martial arts skills. Granted, his low-level superhuman abilities DO augment his fighting a lot. His agility is a great tool that he uses when he does his shit on the dance floor.
You talking about Captain America saying he knows EVERY single fighting style on the planet???? That's hyperbole and you know it. I'm surprised you actually brought it up. And don't go comparing Dragon to Chi.
Oh btw, Murda Mase posted a scan recently of Bruce benching close to 2000lbs as well. 😬 It appears he isn't as weak as you think srank!!!!
Not to mention the little fact about Batman being COMPLETELY ahead of Cap when it comes to versatility. With those toys in his belt, there's no way he loses the majority here. You realize that Batman can set his suit to "defend" and have it emit thousands of volts of electricity if anybody even touches it, right? Not to mention it IS armor, and would protect Bruce. It's defended him against superhuman assaults before. Electric batarangs, exploding batarangs, tracking batarangs, explosives, gas pellets, liquid nitrogen capsules, his torch, etc. would be the END of old Stevie boy!!!! 💃
About time you posted! A quick recap on the same argument we always have for those who don't know. Shiva was mind controlled. Batman was coughing up blood at the end of the sparring sessions with Case. Richard Dragon was holding back and trying to avoid a fight. I'll... give you the Bronze Tiger one but Tiger has also had the upper hand on occasion as well. Anyway I said barely in the top ten of DC fighters not that he wasn't. Shiva? Better. Dragon? Better. Cass? Better. Connor? Better. Bronze Tiger? So Batman is sixth... not counting Drakon, Alpha, and Mad-Dog all of whom are better then him. Or the Question and Black Canary who are close. Or Karate Kid who is the best. Or that chick who said she was the incarnation of hand to hand fighting.
I covered the utility belt in my second to last post I believe.
Captain America has just as many if not more nerver/pressure point showins as Batman.
And I own the comic with Batman benching and it doesn't say 500lbs on that disk it is just a bunch of chicken scratch. Even if does say 500 it certainly does say lbs after it and on top of that those aren't 500lbs discs. Batman fans just want it to say 500lbs.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
About time you posted! A quick recap on the same argument we always have for those who don't know. Shiva was mind controlled. Batman was coughing up blood at the end of the sparring sessions with Case. Richard Dragon was holding back and trying to avoid a fight. I'll... give you the Bronze Tiger one but Tiger has also had the upper hand on occasion as well. Anyway I said barely in the top ten of DC fighters not that he wasn't. Shiva? Better. Dragon? Better. Cass? Better. Connor? Better. Bronze Tiger? So Batman is sixth... not counting Drakon, Alpha, and Mad-Dog all of whom are better then him. Or the Question and Black Canary who are close. Or Karate Kid who is the best. Or that chick who said she was the incarnation of hand to hand fighting.I covered the utility belt in my second to last post I believe.
Captain America has just as many if not more nerver/pressure point showins as Batman.
And I own the comic with Batman benching and it doesn't say 500lbs on that disk it is just a bunch of chicken scratch. Even if does say 500 it certainly does say lbs after it and on top of that those aren't 500lbs discs. Batman fans just want it to say 500lbs.
God, it's STILL speculation of whether or not Shiva was mind-controlled or not!!!! 😱 Not to mention there was one occasion where Batman got the better of Shiva, AND there was the time when she saw him, and completely ran in the opposite direction. Hmm.... why would she do such a thing? hmm 😛
Tiger got the better of Batman BECAUSE he caught him unaware the first time. The second time when Batman was ready for him, he was beating him until he was tranqualized.
The sparring session ALSO had Batman holding back (noted by the fact that he was only using one hand for the majority of the fight), and still managed to strike her and make her eyes get extremely wide. Stalemate. Batman may have been coughing up blood, but he wasn't severly hurt, Cass was banged up, and he was holding back. Stalemate.
Batman was simply trying to take Dragon in for questioning. It wasn't like he was trying to kill him or something. Simply wanted to take him to the police station for questions. Dragon DID defend himself and didn't want to be taken in, so he resisted. Bottom line: the fight stopped before the clear winner of that fight was decided. Stalemate.
Karate Kid. Nobody is as good as he is. 😐 Also, he's in a future timeline. Omitted.
Drakon? Prove it. He's an anomoly. He had ONE SINGLE showing of him beating Hawke. Whoopity-doo. Sorry, it's going to take more than one single showing for him to be put over Batsy. There's a reason why DC never published him again... they realized they made a mistake with him. It even mentions it in Connor's bio!!! 😱
With the utility belt, you make it seem like he'd be fumbling down there for a while when that's not the case. He's used them on faster opponents than Cap, and has also taken down a lot stronger, tougher, more durable people with them.
I don't think so.
Meh, Cap still loses 7/10 here. 😛
Originally posted by batdude123
God, it's STILL speculation of whether or not Shiva was mind-controlled or not!!!! 😱 Not to mention there was one occasion where Batman got the better of Shiva, AND there was the time when she saw him, and completely ran in the opposite direction. Hmm.... why would she do such a thing? hmm 😛Tiger got the better of Batman BECAUSE he caught him unaware the first time. The second time when Batman was ready for him, he was beating him until he was tranqualized.
The sparring session ALSO had Batman holding back (noted by the fact that he was only using one hand for the majority of the fight), and still managed to strike her and make her eyes get extremely wide. Stalemate. Batman may have been coughing up blood, but he wasn't severly hurt, Cass was banged up, and he was holding back. Stalemate.
Batman was simply trying to take Dragon in for questioning. It wasn't like he was trying to kill him or something. Simply wanted to take him to the police station for questions. Dragon DID defend himself and didn't want to be taken in, so he resisted. Bottom line: the fight stopped before the clear winner of that fight was decided. Stalemate.
Karate Kid. Nobody is as good as he is. 😐 Also, he's in a future timeline. Omitted.
Drakon? Prove it. He's an anomoly. He had ONE SINGLE showing of him beating Hawke. Whoopity-doo. Sorry, it's going to take more than one single showing for him to be put over Batsy. There's a reason why DC never published him again... they realized they made a mistake with him. It even mentions it in Connor's bio!!! 😱
With the utility belt, you make it seem like he'd be fumbling down there for a while when that's not the case. He's used them on faster opponents than Cap, and has also taken down a lot stronger, tougher, more durable people with them.
I don't think so.
Meh, Cap still loses 7/10 here. 😛
Drakon will be back! I know it, I just know it! It's funny that DC accidently made a character who would need to be leaps and bounds better then Shiva judging by the ease in which he owned Connar. Anyway for the reasons you listed he was ommited from the list... don't chance the fact that he was better then Bats though.
Originally posted by batdude123
God, it's STILL speculation of whether or not Shiva was mind-controlled or not!!!! 😱 Not to mention there was one occasion where Batman got the better of Shiva, AND there was the time when she saw him, and completely ran in the opposite direction. Hmm.... why would she do such a thing? hmm 😛Tiger got the better of Batman BECAUSE he caught him unaware the first time. The second time when Batman was ready for him, he was beating him until he was tranqualized.
The sparring session ALSO had Batman holding back (noted by the fact that he was only using one hand for the majority of the fight), and still managed to strike her and make her eyes get extremely wide. Stalemate. Batman may have been coughing up blood, but he wasn't severly hurt, Cass was banged up, and he was holding back. Stalemate.
Batman was simply trying to take Dragon in for questioning. It wasn't like he was trying to kill him or something. Simply wanted to take him to the police station for questions. Dragon DID defend himself and didn't want to be taken in, so he resisted. Bottom line: the fight stopped before the clear winner of that fight was decided. Stalemate.
Karate Kid. Nobody is as good as he is. 😐 Also, he's in a future timeline. Omitted.
Drakon? Prove it. He's an anomoly. He had ONE SINGLE showing of him beating Hawke. Whoopity-doo. Sorry, it's going to take more than one single showing for him to be put over Batsy. There's a reason why DC never published him again... they realized they made a mistake with him. It even mentions it in Connor's bio!!! 😱
With the utility belt, you make it seem like he'd be fumbling down there for a while when that's not the case. He's used them on faster opponents than Cap, and has also taken down a lot stronger, tougher, more durable people with them.
I don't think so.
Meh, Cap still loses 7/10 here. 😛
well said, my friend. 👆
Originally posted by darthgoober
Captain America takes the majority here. Batman is his worlds greatest detective, but Captain America is his worlds greatest fighter. I know that Batman has all kinds of nasty trick in his belt, but the people Cap fights try those same kinds of tricks all the time, and Cap always seems to fight through it. Granted they may not be as skilled in the execution of those tricks as Batman, but many(such as Red Skull), are at least skilled enough that Cap ain't gonna be caught unaware by them.You want to track down a criminal, you want Batman. But when it comes time to beat him down, as good as Batman is, Caps the better man to have. So Cap takes it one on one, but not by a large majority, I'd say about 6 or 7/10.
Ok actually in hindsight maybe Batman will get 7/10, but thats only because of his gadgets. Just H2H Batman will probably lose 8/10.
Actually come to think of it Cap has probably foguht people with worse gadgets than Batman and he doesnt get any prep, both fighters have a basic knowledge of each other....bats loses 10/10.....sorry hes just no tough enough and Cap is possibly a better fighter
P.S. srankmissingnin do you know what issue or When Cap lifted 2000lbs without breaking a sweat.?
Nice editing, no one saw you call batdude and braz fanboys, ironically so.
I'm pretty certain this is like the tenth Captain America/Batman thread.
Physically, Captain America is slightly superior to Batman, the main discerning factor being Captain America's stamina. In pretty much all other areas they are equivalent or close enough for it to not make any significance.
Skillwise, I would say Batman is slightly superior, and shows it more often.
Weaponry, while Captain America has the shield there's only so much he can do with it, Batman's arsenal is far more versatile.
If this was plain h2h, Captain America would take the slight majority 6-7/10. But it's not, Batman would win ~7/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Nice editing, no one saw you call batdude and braz fanboys, ironically so.
What........ .innocent .Well yeah I did, but I fought about it and I guess I could see where they are coming from
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If this was plain h2h, Captain America would take the slight majority 6-7/10. But it's not, Batman would win ~7/10.
Yes but at the sametime Cap has fought people with worse gadgets than Bats. Bats gets no prep...so I dunno......
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Drakon will be back! I know it, I just know it! It's funny that DC accidently made a character who would need to be leaps and bounds better then Shiva judging by the ease in which he owned Connar. Anyway for the reasons you listed he was ommited from the list... don't chance the fact that he was better then Bats though.
Drakon sucks balls!!!! 😛
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
like your determination. Its refreshing to see that having no knowledge of Captain America hasn't held you back from posting in his threads. roll eyes (sarcastic)On to some other things. Batman isn't the 9th best fighter in all of comics. Despite what Batdude would have you believe, Batman is barely in the top ten of DC Martial Artists. Guess who holds the top stop in Marvel? Captain America! Not granted I think the other top guns like Elektra or Wolverine or close too if not his superior in skill but it is the opinion of Marvel characters that Captain America is the best (Stick and Ogun are likely better but they are both... ghosts... or something similar so they are omitted). Captain America is considered better then Shang Chi... by Shang Chi's own villains. The closest thing to Shang Chi in DC is Shiva or Dragon both of whom are better fighters then Batman (Dragon even called Bruce a talented amateurs!). And Captain America only knowing Judo is the second biggest myth surrounding Captain America (next to his shield being made of adamantium and vibranium). Captain America down right told Barron Zemo that he was proficient in every fighting style known to man (and that was what... in the 70s I think). There should be a scan of it on the forum somewhere... it was one of the first things I posted and it led into argument over the semantics of the word proficient with... DarkCrawler I think. Everything Batman has done in hand to hand Captain America has done, and he has done it better. Oh and yes Captain America is at least twice as strong as Batman. Even when he lost his power derived from the SSS he was still benching 800lbs and with it he has benched into 2000lbs with out breaking a sweet. Captain America is superhuman across the boards.
Richard dragon calling batman a talented armature, this is true. But this was when bruce wayne was not yet batman. He was still in the process of becoming batman. That is walking around the globe and training.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
About time you posted! A quick recap on the same argument we always have for those who don't know. Shiva was mind controlled. Batman was coughing up blood at the end of the sparring sessions with Case. Richard Dragon was holding back and trying to avoid a fight. I'll... give you the Bronze Tiger one but Tiger has also had the upper hand on occasion as well. Anyway I said barely in the top ten of DC fighters not that he wasn't. Shiva? Better. Dragon? Better. Cass? Better. Connor? Better. Bronze Tiger? So Batman is sixth... not counting Drakon, Alpha, and Mad-Dog all of whom are better then him. Or the Question and Black Canary who are close. Or Karate Kid who is the best. Or that chick who said she was the incarnation of hand to hand fighting.I covered the utility belt in my second to last post I believe.
Captain America has just as many if not more nerve/pressure point showings as Batman.
And I own the comic with Batman benching and it doesn't say 500lbs on that disk it is just a bunch of chicken scratch. Even if does say 500 it certainly does say lbs after it and on top of that those aren't 500lbs discs. Batman fans just want it to say 500lbs.
Just some few correction, batman fighting cass with just one hand. Batman smiled after he coughed out the blood. He was smiling.
Shiva was being mind controlled but where did it say that her skills where affected, for all we know it could have given her a boost of some sought. And yet you still have batman questioning which of them was the better martial artist.
Connor is good but he is not better than batman. Take their first fight against shiva. Connor almost got killed if it wasn't for robin. Shiva's fight with batman they were completely even for if they were not batman should have been in a state similar to connor before robin again decided to join the fight.
And ask for the lady that was said to be the incarnation of hth combat. Batman was not fighting all out because he was coordinating the attack of the JLA. He might have taken less of beating were he fighting the way he should have been. And she did I think broke or dislocate batman's arm but batman was still fighting. She went for kill I think on several occasion but he still fended her off. This lady no longer exist.
The only time Cap uses pressure points is when he is fighting someone like the hulk. Apart from those instances one would be hard pressed to find instances where cap is just throwing pressure point blows on some run of the mill villain.
Maybe the plates are 500lbs maybe they are not. But one thing is for sure those plates were big.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
The only time Cap uses pressure points is when he is fighting someone like the hulk.
Yeah duh because he needs to he fists are not going to work. There are loads of times he has used pressure points. Batman doesnt use pressure points all the time either and he cant beat Mr Hyde like Cap did.
The only time Cap uses pressure points is when he is fighting someone like the hulk. Apart from those instances one would be hard pressed to find instances where cap is just throwing pressure point blows on some run of the mill villain.
Besides Hulk which you have mentioned he's used it on his recent fight with Spiderman, on Viper, on the Superhuman Warewolf Falcon, Giant-man, to non-important fighters like some thugs/scientist to put them down easily. Cap even showed that he can hit pressure-points with his shield. He has shown them in other manners too.
He has shown how to hit pressure points with pressure ala Hulk. With hand strikes ala Warewolf Falcon(Cap's partner) as he did the same to Spiderman.
To even just finger taps ala Giantman. As Cap stated he can even hit them with his shield.
In another instance he dislocated one of Kingpins thugs just by applying pressure to his shoulder.
He's not called the most capable combatant for nothing.
As good as Cap is of course the only one I consider slightly better in pressure-point fightin is of course my screen name should help that answer. 🙂