Troy (2004)

Started by WindDancer33 pages

They did their best to make this movie entertaining?? Give me a break! This movie did not provide the amount of entertainment it was expected! Is not about liking the story! Is about Big Movie studios corrupting and wrecking great works of literature! Holy Cow What would they do next?! As an example: How many more remakes of Le Miserable will there be in the future? Or the count of Monte Cristo? Now, these ppl are making big screen movies about Classic Greek literature! Is simply outrageous! Of course these people hide behind the idea of "Inspired by the story" just as long as they attrack audiences into their movies! It works! I went to see it! They got my money out of it! But not my interest! That's what this movie is about! Making big bucks outta so called "Inspired by the story". Big movie studios care for the money not for intellectual purposes.

Pic of Hector, Achilles and Paris.

Troy - Your Thoughts

I saw the movie last Saturday when it came out. I was curious what you all think about it.. I personally thought that it was very suspenseful, and I would recommend it to anyone!

Great movie

I give it a 5/5

Double thread. 😬 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f2/t7178.html

Please look for a thread on the movie before you make a new one!

Anyways, yeah, it was pretty good. 4.4/5

i've read the illiad and seen the film, and as much as everyone is bashing the film.....i thought it was good.
I would have liked in the film to see the war been stretched out of many years as it is in the book, you see everyone becoming restless and everyone is sick of the war.....
i also REALLY didn't like achilles. in the book, there is some kind of depth to the character, so there is a reason as to why he acts as he does and choses not to fight, in the film he came off as arrogant and really didn't like that.

i have to say, i loved hector, eric bana played him so well! he definitely stole the show..
everyone hates paris, sure bloom is not the greatest actor to hit the planet, but, he was how paris is meant to be! and i hated him in the book as well. i didn't end up hating him in the film because of bloom, but because of the character paris....so says something huh.

I guess...since i dont like Bloom, i didnt really warm up to the character of Paris...in the film.

I suppose, like someone already said, i think...maybe the sympathy to the characters was kinda missing...i didnt really feel for these characters...dont know, thats just me.

Also, there was no Cassandra, and i really liked to have seen her 🙂

Dear Ush...

I don’t know how old are you, but during my day I have other things to do except for surfing in the internet (that’s why i didn’t answer sooner)
I really don’t know what to say, you seem to have studied history and mythology.
You are from UK: imagine if one director took Romeo and Juliet (Shakespeare - Great) and at the end the parents of Juliet and Romeo die and her nanny dies before she brings the news to Juliet (about the wedding)
Would you like it? It would misrepresent what we knew, and it’s just a book.
Imagine of one of your wars and your great warriors…
It’s the same for us too.
I didn’t say that the movie wasn’t entertaining but there are some people, even greeks, that don’t know the story and they’ll end up knowing nothing true (only the basics).
I’m very proud of our civilization, and may be it’s the only thing we can be proud of.. except for our food (that’s what tourists say)
I don’t want it to be ruined…
Sorry if I offended anyone

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, that is your choice. Of course, that I have demonstrated the ridiculousness behind each of your points, and you don't seem bothered to answer them, will only make it clear to everyone else how silly your position is.

A position that keeps changing, of course. At first you said that they should have made it just like the Iliad. Then when a load of people say how silly that is, because of its limited timescale, after you display your ignorance of what is in the Iliad by quoting events that never happened in it, now you have changed your story to say 'why don't they make it like ALL the writers who ever wrote anything about Troy?'

Quite aside from the silliness of that view in the first place, seeing as each new writer took a different inspiration and interpretation, the fact is that while there is such a thing as Trojan mythology, like Arthurian mythology, it is very vague, and there is no such thing as a set original form. The Iliad is the central part of that myth. This film is inspired by the Iliad, based on that myth, and created its own story out of those characters and events- like ALL the writers in Greek and Roman times did. And why the heck SHOULD the film care about what other writers have said? Why can't they just pick and chose from the myth? That's all anyone else has ever done, when making stories out of just about any myth ever, including this one. That is how myths work.

You say if they are going to do it, they should do it right. Well, they DID do it right. They did their best to make an entertaining film out of a well-known piece of mythology (and to be frank, like it or not, it would have been worse if they had tried to cling to a lot of that stuff).

You don't like the story. That is of course your opinion. But to claim that they have made some form of storytelling travesty by not directly copying what you falsely perceive as an original is simply ludicrousness.

So there we have it. A new film, based on an old myth, that has as much right to claim accuracy as any other interpretation ever made- from Homer onwards. It only claims inspiration, not adaptation. Inspired it so is.

And that is pretty much the facts as they are. People who take issue for it butchering either history or Homer... simply don't know what they are talking about.

Sorry for the inconvinience
I'm sending my reply directly to u, edited (as far as I good)..

Dear Ush...

I don’t know how old are you, but during my day I have other things to do except for surfing in the internet (that’s why i didn’t answer sooner)
I really don’t know what to say, you seem to have studied history and mythology.
You are from UK: imagine if one director took Romeo and Juliet (Shakespeare - Great) and at the end the parents of Juliet and Romeo die and her nanny dies before she brings the news to Juliet (about the wedding)
Would you like it? It would misrepresent what we knew, and it’s just a book.
Imagine of one of your wars and your great warriors…
It’s the same for us too.
I didn’t say that the movie wasn’t entertaining but there are some people, even greeks, that don’t know the story and they’ll end up knowing nothing true (only the basics).
I’m very proud of our civilization, and may be it’s the only thing we can be proud of.. except for our food (that’s what tourists say)
I don’t want it to be ruined…
Sorry if I offended anyone

We're not talking about inspiration, we're talking about how to make a film profitable, that's different, how to wax the role of Achileas (Brad Pitt) by not killing him before, and kill the bad guy (he trully wasn't) Agamemnon..And this is art? I prefer watching the depressing but more smart (it's such a same the director is european!)
Sorry if I offended you or your taste with my first opinion...(although your critic was much worse)

Originally posted by su.g.13
[...]
You are from UK: imagine if one director took Romeo and Juliet (Shakespeare - Great) and at the end the parents of Juliet and Romeo die and her nanny dies before she brings the news to Juliet (about the wedding)
Would you like it? It would misrepresent what we knew, and it’s just a book.
[...]

If it said Inspired by Shakespeares Romeo and Juliet LOL
Actually that has been done, the new version with Leo DiCaprio.
They die in the correct order but still LOL

and let me say su.g.13, DAMN good food 😄

Originally posted by WindDancer
They did their best to make this movie entertaining?? Give me a break! This movie did not provide the amount of entertainment it was expected! Is not about liking the story! Is about Big Movie studios corrupting and wrecking great works of literature! Holy Cow What would they do next?! As an example: How many more remakes of Le Miserable will there be in the future? Or the count of Monte Cristo? Now, these ppl are making big screen movies about Classic Greek literature! Is simply outrageous! Of course these people hide behind the idea of "Inspired by the story" just as long as they attrack audiences into their movies! It works! I went to see it! They got my money out of it! But not my interest! That's what this movie is about! Making big bucks outta so called "Inspired by the story". Big movie studios care for the money not for intellectual purposes.

ok, i'm sorry, but if it bothers u that much, than don't f*cking watch the movie!!! i mean, come on!!!! no one is making u watch them! let the people who appreciated the movie, or at least had logical explanations and good arguments for not liking the movie, talk about it in peace!!! i mean, it's one thing if you're greek and it bothered u, or what someone said about the Romeo and Juliet thing, but "corrupting and wrecking great works of literature?" give ME a break!!! it really wasn't as bad as all that. personally, i thot they did an excellent job making the movie entertaining, dramatic, and somewhat close to the "facts". but, if you're gonna come here to bash movies with no reasonable eplanation and some lousy, insulting argument like that, that's gonna make people mad.

Why exactly does that make all of you mad? Sheesh! We dont like the movie, and there are only few of us who dont, so deal with it. He has a right to bash the movie, as much as you have the right to like it.

I think i would have walked out on it, if Brad Pitt wasnt in it, and i didnt pay money to go see it.

I seriously wish I would have read this thread before I went and spent 8 bucks on it...it's good they're are plenty of mixed reviews,all,good and bad, are consistent thoughts about the movie.

people really shouldn't take any review so personally,it's silly.

well, i'm sorry, i'm just annoyed because people come here to complain about how much the movie sucked. what am i supposed to say "oh, ok it sucked an im just gonna sit here and say nothing" ? i mean, if people didn't like it, ok, fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but there's so much constant bashing here its getting annoying. and people don't even have good reasons for it!!! and windDancer was just bashing movies in general so i that just kinda put me over the top.

Ppl can bash the movie for no reason mate, you have to deal with it.

grrr i kno. i'm sorry for that little - erm ok big - outburst. anyone wanna talk about the movie who actually sorta kinda in some little way liked it?

^ sure. I thot it was really good except Orli wasnt that good. I know that was how Paris was & everything but stil . . . . . . . . .
i spent the first half of the movie laughin and the second half bawling my eyes out - but then and again, thats just me 😄 i cry in everything eg. Finding Nemo . . . . . 😉 sad i know

i still liked it.. and from many posts i know far more about the history and some of the cast then many people who didnt.. just people who like to complaign

It was ok. Nothing new although there are a few things that concerns me.

1- Brad Pitt should never have played the part.
2- Orlando Bloom should have put up more of a fight against that fatty.
3- Sean Bean didnt do enough.
4- Wars were too short and sword stabs/slashes were dragged out.
5- Music was stolen from gladiator. (thats not really a bad thing but it was too similar.)
6- They did not emphasize who was the bad guys. Brad Pitt was too much of a good guy when he was the evil one really. Coz everyone backed Troy rather then the Greeks.

But apart from that. It was ok although they should have released it laster on this year when LOTR and Last Samurai and stuff were out the way.

hmmm...i guess i agree with u on some of those things. paris was really a wimp and he definetely should have kept fighting agamemnon (fatty lol) but i thot brad pitt was great as achilles