Thor + Hulk + Thing .V. Superman?

"First off i said that Abomination has beatin the hulk i didnt say almost kill him if u get knocked out thats a lose and for u too say that abomination could beat superman is so much bs that just proves that u are being biased against superman because whether u like it or not abomination comes nowhere near supermans strength levels or amount of durability."

Hahaha. Amazing post. Allow me to dissect:

I said Hulk almost killed Abomination and defeated him a few times. I never said you did. A knockout doesn't constitute a loss unless the fight ends, so for you to use knockouts as if they are the be all and end all of fights in comics is silly.

You seem to, for some reason, think Abomination is weak. Someone who can swing around coaches like skipping ropes doesn't appear to be a weakling to me. And another thing, coz this cracked me the hell up:

Where.........in God's name.........did I say Abomination would beat Superman? Where? Nowhere. That's where. I said it nowhere.

Just when I thought you couldn't make any more a fool of yourself.

-AC

I wouldnt count the Thing out....he has fought the beyonder and the Champion of the universe( original champion)...he is the best underdog fighter there is in comics

Ok first off in tales to astonish # 90 abomination knocked the hulk out kidnapes betty and it insnt untill the next issue that general ross revives the hulk that he wakes up now u do not call that a loss?????? second im pointing out that superman is way way stronger than abomination and abomination has knocked out the hulk twice so wouldnt u think superman who is way stronger and faster could do this also???

In the group the "U-Foes" (lamest name ever, Mr. Fantastic aside) who was the guy who got metal-y and always tried to beat up the Hulk but always got his ass handed to him?

Completely off subject there, I know. Anyway, in response to:

second im pointing out that superman is way way stronger than abomination and abomination has knocked out the hulk twice so wouldnt u think superman who is way stronger and faster could do this also???

"The Hulk is big and green but if Superman knocked him out he could fly Hulk into the sun."

"Ok first off in tales to astonish # 90 abomination knocked the hulk out kidnapes betty and it insnt untill the next issue that general ross revives the hulk that he wakes up now u do not call that a loss?????? "

Again, did I say he hasn't ever beaten the Hulk? No. I said Hulk has almost killed him. A knockout win is power. However, Hulk has beaten him convincingly twice and then almost killed him the most recent time. So if your argument is that Abomination is better then you'd be wrong again.

"second im pointing out that superman is way way stronger than abomination and abomination has knocked out the hulk twice so wouldnt u think superman who is way stronger and faster could do this also???"

You said I thought Abomination could beat Superman which isn't what I said. I've never ever doubted that Hulk would have his hands full with Superman. If you leave this debate at some point in your life, with the thought "AC thinks Superman would be pushed aside byHulk", you'd be wrong. However, given that Superman has hardly EVER used his speed in a crucial fight, Doomsday for example, I believe it would be down to strength because we are, after all...going by what WOULD happen in this fight. Not what I or you want to happen, but what WOULD happen. If he never used his speed in the battle that cost him his life, why would he use it against anyone else? It would come down to strength and then Superman would lose because if it comes down to strength, Superman CANNOT handle The Hulk. Superman knows this or he wouldn't have said:

"You'd have to be insane to wanna fight The Hulk."

So if all you are gonna keep saying is how fast he is and how many tons he can lift, I suggest you stop coz I will no longer be replying to that BS. I have done so over 10 times already.

-AC

Holy SHI* ur not gettin the point of my arguement the hulk has been knocked out 2 by abomination by abomination beating him down before he has the chance to get really angry or grow to abominations level of stregth so what im saying is superman is way way stronger than abomination so wouldnt he be able to knock out the hulk since abomination has done is and superman is hundreds of times stronger than abomination ?????? just answere this question and dont start talkin about comics with superman vs the hulk because hulk has never even came close to beatin superman other than superman sayin man that one almost knocked the wind out of me.

"Holy SHI* ur not gettin the point of my arguement "

Dude, no one is. Only now are you starting to type paragraphs that make reasonable sense and for crying out loud, USE PUNCTUATION FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

"the hulk has been knocked out 2 by abomination by abomination beating him down before he has the chance to get really angry or grow to abominations level of stregth so what im saying is superman is way way stronger than abomination so wouldnt he be able to knock out the hulk since abomination has done is and superman is hundreds of times stronger than abomination ?????? just answere this question and dont start talkin about comics with superman vs the hulk because hulk has never even came close to beatin superman other than superman sayin man that one almost knocked the wind out of me."

First, Hulk took Superman to AT LEAST a draw in all the comics that were co-written by Marvel and DC, a debatable win. Superman has never ever beaten The Hulk.

Onto the topic at hand though. You say "before he gets strong".

Hello? Is anyone in there? Hulk isn't a weakling. You say before he gets strong like he's puny before he gets mad or something. Hulk could take a fight to Superman and then some, when calm. Let alone when he's really pissed off.

Also, why do you think it takes Hulk ages to get angry all of a sudden? In Hulk #54 Abomination says a couple of lines. Just a couple. Do you know what happens in that tiny space of time? Hulk smashes his face THROUGH his head, holds him in the air and throws him so hard that he flies up and smashes through a helicopter. All that in the space of seconds. From fighting to smashing Abomination's face through. Hulk can reach unheard of strengths in seconds and has proven that he can in that comic and in others. So stop acting like it would take hours.

Not to mention Hulk is putting more behind a hit than Superman given that Superman has human sized hands and Hulk's closed fist is about the size of a TV.

-AC

The question is, how difficult was it to knock the Hulk out?

See? I've gone off the deep-end and am quoting myself.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Holy SHI* ur not gettin the point of my arguement "

Dude, no one is. Only now are you starting to type paragraphs that make reasonable sense and for crying out loud, USE PUNCTUATION FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

"the hulk has been knocked out 2 by abomination by abomination beating him down before he has the chance to get really angry or grow to abominations level of stregth so what im saying is superman is way way stronger than abomination so wouldnt he be able to knock out the hulk since abomination has done is and superman is hundreds of times stronger than abomination ?????? just answere this question and dont start talkin about comics with superman vs the hulk because hulk has never even came close to beatin superman other than superman sayin man that one almost knocked the wind out of me."

First, Hulk took Superman to AT LEAST a draw in all the comics that were co-written by Marvel and DC, a debatable win. Superman has never ever beaten The Hulk.

Onto the topic at hand though. You say "before he gets strong".

Hello? Is anyone in there? Hulk isn't a weakling. You say before he gets strong like he's puny before he gets mad or something. Hulk could take a fight to Superman and then some, when calm. Let alone when he's really pissed off.

Also, why do you think it takes Hulk ages to get angry all of a sudden? In Hulk #54 Abomination says a couple of lines. Just a couple. Do you know what happens in that tiny space of time? Hulk smashes his face THROUGH his head, holds him in the air and throws him so hard that he flies up and smashes through a helicopter. All that in the space of seconds. From fighting to smashing Abomination's face through. Hulk can reach unheard of strengths in seconds and has proven that he can in that comic and in others. So stop acting like it would take hours.

Not to mention Hulk is putting more behind a hit than Superman given that Superman has human sized hands and Hulk's closed fist is about the size of a TV.

-AC

Originally posted by SUPERMANDAMAN
Superman can lift 40000 tons and the hulk can only lift 100 when he is not pist

Originally posted by Manowar
i assure you, Hulk can lift WELL over 40,000 tons! everyone has used this argument before, and ill use it now, Hulk has supported 150,000,000,000 tons of pure mountain...

Originally posted by SUPERMANDAMAN
if u want to compare stregth superman has moved a planet out of it orbit.

ok 🍺

"Like I keep sayin Abomination knocked out the hulk 2 and do u know how he did it he beat the hulk before he had a chance to get angry now so does it make sence that superman could do the same seeing as how Superman can lift 40000 tons and the hulk can only lift 100 when he is
not pist and abomination cant lift much more. So does it make sence that superman should be able to knock out the hulk also seein as how he is hundreds of times stronger yes or no and if no why?"

Abomination knocked the Hulk out 2? Do you mean twice? I should hope so coz Hulk doesn't beat people by knocking them out, a vast majority of the time. He beats them by beating them up, really bad.

"O he can when he gets angry but in a calm state hulks strength is 100 tons and if u want to compare stregth superman has moved a planet out of it orbit."

The mere fact that Superman has shown up would anger The Hulk enough to fight. Half the time that's all you have to do. Show up. So the second Hulk saw Superman, Hulk would get angry before Superman did anything.

Superman WOULD, coz he is a generic hero, show up to try and talk with The Hulk. He would try to talk Hulk out of fighting. Blatantly. Like he tried to before and Hulk got pissed straight away and hurled a boulder at him. So if your argument is "He wont have time" then that sorta finishes you off. Hulk doesn't need time.

Also, if I may voice the one thing that nobody has ever taken into consideration in this debate.....

Why is The Hulk ever around? Yes exactly. Coz Banner got angry. So when Hulk is in a "calm" state, he's already pissed off or he wouldn't even be around. Do you ever see Bruce get pissed, Hulk out and then go write some thrilling poetry? No. You see him go smash shit up. Swing some tanks around. Crush some helicopters. You know why? COZ HE'S ALREADY PISSED. You seem to overlook that simple fact.

So as for "Oh he needs to get pissed"...zip it.

Now I know someone will come back with "Oh but he'd take out Banner".

Bullshit.

Everyone knows that when it comes to hurting opponents Superman's a wuss. That's not hating, it's fact. He would never hurt Banner unless necessary. In other words, unless he Hulked out. In which case the ol' super durability kicks in. So yeah.

I think we're done. But feel free to tell me the stats on how fast he can fly or how many tons he can lift again. You've done it about 200 times. A 201st would be cool.

-AC

well put Monsieur Alpha

WHere are u getting this alright im going over this again for u since u cant pick this up the Hulk and abominations fights lasted a whole comic and abomination was able to knock out the hulk so if abomination can knock out the hulk give me a reason why superman a way stronger and faster character wouldnt be able???????? there isnt one thats like Mr. Rogers beating up someone and then u saying that someone like Jackie Chan couldnt beat up the same person. Your not even putting up an arguement nomore all im hearing from u is no hulk will win no hulk cant lose hulk can do anything.

"WHere are u getting this "

From comics that exist. Try it.

"the Hulk and abominations fights lasted a whole comic and abomination was able to knock out the hulk so if abomination can knock out the hulk give me a reason why superman a way stronger and faster character wouldnt be able????????"

I'm not disputing that Abomination knocked Hulk out so let's drop that. You ask why Superman wouldn't be able to? Well you just mentioned that he's fast and he never uses his speed in fights so it proves you're just bringing it up to boost your debate. Which is failing. Yes he's MAJORLY strong. One of the strongest ever, but he has limited strength. Superman can move a planet? Just because Hulk hasn't it doesn't mean he isn't capable of it. BUT anyone could say that. So if you go read that same Hulk comic (#54) you will see that he says:

"If Banner were to totally lose his controlled and unleash the beast, I could knock the Earth off it's very foundations."

That says to me that he can move a planet and I think Hulk knows his own powers better than you or I.

"Your not even putting up an arguement nomore all im hearing from u is no hulk will win no hulk cant lose hulk can do anything."

The funniest thing is, I'm continually proving valid and factual points. All you do is what you claim I'm doing. Deep down insecurities because you know that's all your plan.

I challenge anyone here to look back over this man's posts and tell me how many times he has mentioned either:

A) Irrelevant points.

B) The same irrelevant points.

C) Random statistics.

D) Supermans fan voted win.

or

E) Factual info that proves Superman would win in a fight with The Hulk.

I think you will find A to D are plentiful. Yet E is lacking.

Supermandaman, the reason you're hearing "Your not even putting up an arguement nomore all im hearing from u is no hulk will win no hulk cant lose hulk can do anything" is purely because you want to hear that when deep down you know I'm true. Or if you don't, then you're just plain wrong in this debate.

Why must every thread involving the two be turned into a battle. Majority of the INTELLIGENT people on these forums believe Hulk would win. Therefore to me, the debate is over. You and Manjaro are just a two man race and I'm already standing on the finish line eating a biscuit and drinking some tea. So see you when you break the tape.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"WHere are u getting this "

From comics that exist. Try it.

"the Hulk and abominations fights lasted a whole comic and abomination was able to knock out the hulk so if abomination can knock out the hulk give me a reason why superman a way stronger and faster character wouldnt be able????????"

I'm not disputing that Abomination knocked Hulk out so let's drop that. You ask why Superman wouldn't be able to? Well you just mentioned that he's fast and he never uses his speed in fights so it proves you're just bringing it up to boost your debate. Which is failing. Yes he's MAJORLY strong. One of the strongest ever, but he has limited strength. Superman can move a planet? Just because Hulk hasn't it doesn't mean he isn't capable of it. BUT anyone could say that. So if you go read that same Hulk comic (#54) you will see that he says:

"If Banner were to totally lose his controlled and unleash the beast, I could knock the Earth off it's very foundations."

That says to me that he can move a planet and I think Hulk knows his own powers better than you or I.

"Your not even putting up an arguement nomore all im hearing from u is no hulk will win no hulk cant lose hulk can do anything."

The funniest thing is, I'm continually proving valid and factual points. All you do is what you claim I'm doing. Deep down insecurities because you know that's all your plan.

I challenge anyone here to look back over this man's posts and tell me how many times he has mentioned either:

A) Irrelevant points.

B) The same irrelevant points.

C) Random statistics.

D) Supermans fan voted win.

or

E) Factual info that proves Superman would win in a fight with The Hulk.

I think you will find A to D are plentiful. Yet E is lacking.

Supermandaman, the reason you're hearing "Your not even putting up an arguement nomore all im hearing from u is no hulk will win no hulk cant lose hulk can do anything" is purely because you want to hear that when deep down you know I'm true. Or if you don't, then you're just plain wrong in this debate.

Why must every thread involving the two be turned into a battle. Majority of the INTELLIGENT people on these forums believe Hulk would win. Therefore to me, the debate is over. You and Manjaro are just a two man race and I'm already standing on the finish line eating a biscuit and drinking some tea. So see you when you break the tape.

-AC

blah blah yes if the hulk ever gets majorly pissed off he could reach supermans level of stregth but im trying to tell u that abomination a character slightly stronger than the hulk in a calm stage was able to knock him out twice you know why because it takes time for the hulks stregth level to get up so all im sayin is that if abomination a character that is slightly stronger than the hulk when he first transforms can beat him then why in the hell cant superman someone hundreds of times stronger beat down the hulk. Dont add nothing just answere me why u think that superman cant beat the hulk when abomination has done it twice?

Firstly, I'll add whatever I want thanks.

"blah blah yes if the hulk ever gets majorly pissed off he could reach supermans level of stregth but im trying to tell u that abomination a character slightly stronger than the hulk in a calm stage was able to knock him out twice you know why because it takes time for the hulks stregth level to get up so all im sayin is that if abomination a character that is slightly stronger than the hulk when he first transforms can beat him then why in the hell cant superman someone hundreds of times stronger beat down the hulk."

Secondly, why do you keep bringing up Abomination? I used him as an example. He has nothing to do with this debate. He knocked Hulk out. Hulk put a gaping hole in his face in one fight and nearly killed him not to mention all the other times he has beat him to a pulp. Hulk is stronger and better than Abomination so let's not go off topic here.

Your question was how can Hulk beat Superman if Superman would beat Abomination and Abomination knocked Hulk out? Well, you're basically saying Superman can beat Hulk coz Abomination knocked him out. Well that's like saying Pyro could beat Hulk because Ice-Man has frozen Hulk before but Pyro is better than Ice-Man. Just because Abomination beat Hulk on that day it doesn't mean you can make his debatable fight against Superman null and void.

"it takes time for the hulks stregth level to get up "

Why do you continually say this? It doesn't take time for his strength to get up. It actually doesn't. Proven in Hulk #54. But I'll smash this puny "Strength build up" theory to smitherines. Watch and ***** if you want coz like it or not, this is one of the reasons Hulk is the don:

Hulk needs time for his strength to get up yeah? Alot of time? Ok.

So Hulk knew that the mountain was gonna drop on them? He looked up and saw it falling and he had enough time to stand there getting angry? No he didn't. So in YOUR world that would have meant he could only handle 100 tons right? Well what did he do with that mountain when he had to act fast? That's right. He held it up.

Now, I expect many "Oh you used the mountain again". Yes I did, but it has proven all your "It takes time" theories wrong and pure excrement.

Have a good one.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Firstly, I'll add whatever I want thanks.

"blah blah yes if the hulk ever gets majorly pissed off he could reach supermans level of stregth but im trying to tell u that abomination a character slightly stronger than the hulk in a calm stage was able to knock him out twice you know why because it takes time for the hulks stregth level to get up so all im sayin is that if abomination a character that is slightly stronger than the hulk when he first transforms can beat him then why in the hell cant superman someone hundreds of times stronger beat down the hulk."

Secondly, why do you keep bringing up Abomination? I used him as an example. He has nothing to do with this debate. He knocked Hulk out. Hulk put a gaping hole in his face in one fight and nearly killed him not to mention all the other times he has beat him to a pulp. Hulk is stronger and better than Abomination so let's not go off topic here.

Your question was how can Hulk beat Superman if Superman would beat Abomination and Abomination knocked Hulk out? Well, you're basically saying Superman can beat Hulk coz Abomination knocked him out. Well that's like saying Pyro could beat Hulk because Ice-Man has frozen Hulk before but Pyro is better than Ice-Man. Just because Abomination beat Hulk on that day it doesn't mean you can make his debatable fight against Superman null and void.

"it takes time for the hulks stregth level to get up "

Why do you continually say this? It doesn't take time for his strength to get up. It actually doesn't. Proven in Hulk #54. But I'll smash this puny "Strength build up" theory to smitherines. Watch and ***** if you want coz like it or not, this is one of the reasons Hulk is the don:

Hulk needs time for his strength to get up yeah? Alot of time? Ok.

So Hulk knew that the mountain was gonna drop on them? He looked up and saw it falling and he had enough time to stand there getting angry? No he didn't. So in YOUR world that would have meant he could only handle 100 tons right? Well what did he do with that mountain when he had to act fast? That's right. He held it up.

Now, I expect many "Oh you used the mountain again". Yes I did, but it has proven all your "It takes time" theories wrong and pure excrement.

Have a good one.

-AC

The mountain-thing was a mistake, I don't care if it happened or not. It was a mistake, plain and simple, and should never have happened. Errors do happen in comics, you know. A lot.

A normal Hulk, let's say mindless Hulk or savage Hulk, needs at least a bit of time to get really really angry and strong.

Now, in Secret Wars, it was an intelligent Hulk, and it's no secret that the intelligent Hulks (professor Hulk, Grey Hulk...) need even more time than for example savage Hulk or mindless Hulk to get really pissed off (and strong).

But nooo, the writer didn't think of that little detail, and decided that an intelligent and calm Hulk could become, out of the blue, literally millions of time stronger in a split second ?!? What ? Absolutely not logical !!

If you accept that, you must accept everything...