<<Its nice to be in a Superman thread again as we all use our usual arguments, its kind of a bit like being at home I even know what Kg will argue as he argued the same things for Thor v Supes but Thor keeps beating up Gladiator>>
yeah, it's fun to revisit these once in a while to see if anyone actually has anything new to say. and you'll never convince kg (even though it came straight out of glad's mouth) that thor is/was too much for him.
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Its nice to be in a Superman thread again as we all use our usual arguments, its kind of a bit like being at home I even know what Kg will argue as he argued the same things for Thor v Supes but Thor keeps beating up Gladiator>>yeah, it's fun to revisit these once in a while to see if anyone actually has anything new to say. and you'll never convince kg (even though it came straight out of glad's mouth) that thor is/was too much for him.
When the guy at confident level
Battle thor amped to near light speeds (plus his normal speed)
When the guy speed blitz Thor and knocked him out cold.
Guy who punked the X-men , and F4 easily ( when confident)
the guy who contain a solar system destroying blast.
Gladiator might not win lots of battle? But is he using (any of his abilities in most of those fights?)
And Gladiator is not always confident
Well tell me who has defeated a confident Gladiator.
Clearly going by stats Gladiator is superman X 100
he even can even achieve infinite strength.
Here I got a scenario for yall.
Gladiator speed blitz at 100 light speeds, with blows that can destroy planets, and heat vision hotter than the hottest star
And it is bloodlust and Character are allowed to use what they have shown
okay, kg, i have fun with our little squabbles, but i really need to know something: how can you prove he wasn't 'confident' when he fought hulk? if he wasn't WHY wasn't he? it's certainly never alluded to in the book. he seemed to know nothing about hulk or what he was capable of -- even thought he'd taken care of hulk early on if i remember correctly. based on the results of the fight, i see 3 ways to explain the outcome:
1. perhaps for some unknown reason, (never alluded to or explained in the book) glads was NOT fully confident when he began the fight. that doesn't sit well with me because soemthing like that SHOULD have an explanation if it is to be accepted as true.
2. glads was confident all the way through and even fully confident he couldn't beat hulk.
3. OR, (most likely imho) perhaps glads STARTED fully confident and realized hulk was REALLY tough then LOST confidence. if that IS the case (and it seems to me to be the most likely of the 3) then certainly the same thing would happen battling supes who is much more powerful than the hulk is. this might also explain how thor was able to pummel the crap out of him in taht infamous issue.
in the hulk fight glads tried speedblitz, strength, and eyebeams. none of it was enough. seriously bro, i'm not picking on you (this time! 😉) but no matter how i look at it, i don't see him beating superman.
Originally posted by leonidas
okay, kg, i have fun with our little squabbles, but i really need to know something: how can you prove he wasn't 'confident' when he fought hulk? if he wasn't WHY wasn't he? it's certainly never alluded to in the book. he seemed to know nothing about hulk or what he was capable of -- even thought he'd taken care of hulk early on if i remember correctly. based on the results of the fight, i see 3 ways to explain the outcome:1. perhaps for some unknown reason, (never alluded to or explained in the book) glads was NOT fully confident when he began the fight. that doesn't sit well with me because soemthing like that SHOULD have an explanation if it is to be accepted as true.
2. glads was confident all the way through and even fully confident he couldn't beat hulk.
3. OR, (most likely imho) perhaps glads STARTED fully confident and realized hulk was REALLY tough then LOST confidence. if that IS the case (and it seems to me to be the most likely of the 3) then certainly the same thing would happen battling supes who is much more powerful than the hulk is. this might also explain how thor was able to pummel the crap out of him in taht infamous issue.
in the hulk fight glads tried speedblitz, strength, and eyebeams. none of it was enough. seriously bro, i'm not picking on you (this time! 😉) but no matter how i look at it, i don't see him beating superman.
he could have easily Tossed him in space.
he took him halfway near space before hulk realised he was being moved.
i mean you can say he lost to that and this.
the fact that Gladiator when confident battle and tied Thor at ( who was going near light speed) ------- take that Gladiator agaisn't you mach superman
you know what happens.
and you are right Gladiator can cutainly loose to superman easily to , if he isn't confident , or using non of his powers.
Originally posted by BeyonderGladiator had his hands full fighting Colossus one on one. Did you see how banged up Gladiator looked after the fight?
Gladiator would KICK Superman's ASS. 😉
Superman is stronger, way faster, more durable than Colossus. Plus he has other abilities too.
I dont see Gladiator beating Superman. He has a bad win-loss record.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Gladiator had his hands full fighting Colossus one on one. Did you see how banged up Gladiator looked after the fight?Superman is stronger, way faster, more durable than Colossus. Plus he has other abilities too.
I dont see Gladiator beating Superman. He has a bad win-loss record.
He's also trashed through Quasar's construct. BB had to interfere with his voice to save Quasar's butt.
He's also handed the Thing in one punch.
Colossus? Yes Colossus did do that. But guess what, 90s X-Men Animated (just using analogy, not counting it as canon) gave Gladiator a scuffle. The same Gladiator that took Juggernaut's punch without flinching. Rather stupid, seemed like they were giving Rogue a chance.
Anyways, Thing has kicked Colossus ass numerous times. Hyperion could do the same thing. So would Thor, the Thor who's never beaten Gladiator without some assistance or PIS.
Originally posted by BeyonderAre you on crack?
He's also trashed through Quasar's construct. BB had to interfere with his voice to save Quasar's butt.He's also handed the Thing in one punch.
Colossus? Yes Colossus did do that. But guess what, 90s X-Men Animated (just using analogy, not counting it as canon) gave Gladiator a scuffle. The same Gladiator that took Juggernaut's punch without flinching. Rather stupid, seemed like they were giving Rogue a chance.
Anyways, Thing has kicked Colossus ass numerous times. Hyperion could do the same thing. So would Thor, the Thor who's never beaten Gladiator without some assistance or PIS.
Thing and Colossus never fought. Not once.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Gladiator had his hands full fighting Colossus one on one. Did you see how banged up Gladiator looked after the fight?Superman is stronger, way faster, more durable than Colossus. Plus he has other abilities too.
I dont see Gladiator beating Superman. He has a bad win-loss record.
But Glads also beat Thor down with a couple of punches, destroyed a planet with 3 punches, flies through stars and nuclear infernos, flown at a hundred times the speed of light, defeated the FF, and had a better showing than pretty much everyone cept Silver Surfer in the fight against Tyrant.
So yeah, Glads does have some really high powered feats behind him, it's just that when it comes to fights he's generally used as a jobber cause he's not a hugely popular character.
The way i see it, you take Gladiator's best showings in mind and put him up against Superman's best showings for this fight. Granted, i don't follow Superman, but i don't think he's done anything, Post Crisis, strength wise that's equal to destroying a planet with three punches, or flying at 100x light speed. (correct me if i'm wrong). Gladiator has been up against people who give him a good challenge and not had his confidence broken, so it's not likely that Superman doing so would suddenly break it. Therefore Gladiator beat Post Crisis Superman IMO.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
Well yeah, it's easy to point out the fact that Glads was beaten by Thor/Hulk/Gambit etc. and seemed like he had trouble with Colossus. (though to me is just looks like he ermeges with some ripped clothes)But Glads also beat Thor down with a couple of punches, destroyed a planet with 3 punches, flies through stars and nuclear infernos, flown at a hundred times the speed of light, defeated the FF, and had a better showing than pretty much everyone cept Silver Surfer in the fight against Tyrant.
So yeah, Glads does have some really high powered feats behind him, it's just that when it comes to fights he's generally used as a jobber cause he's not a hugely popular character.
The way i see it, you take Gladiator's best showings in mind and put him up against Superman's best showings for this fight. Granted, i don't follow Superman, but i don't think he's done anything, Post Crisis, strength wise that's equal to destroying a planet with three punches, or flying at 100x light speed. (correct me if i'm wrong). Gladiator has been up against people who give him a good challenge and not had his confidence broken, so it's not likely that Superman doing so would suddenly break it. Therefore Gladiator beat Post Crisis Superman IMO.
was gladiator destroying planets etc in continuity 🙂
<<"supreme was kicking his butt -- he had to fake being dead to end the fight"
The fact he slugged it out against someone who is pretty much a pre crisis tier, speaks something.
"and hyperion is not at supes' level "
He is at -least- better than Byrne Superman. Thats "Superman" class>>
true enough i suppose, but not at current supe's level -- and like i said, even glads seemed to think he and hype were a match powerwise which would seem to say he is below current supes. like i said to kg -- imho glads doens't beat supes.
oh, and whirly, the planet thing was continuity -- marvel presents, or something -- the one a few years back with like, four short stories every month.
i still fail to see how people claim thor didn't beat glads in thor 32-33 (??) when thor finally admitted to getting pissed and not being able to view glads as a friend he demolished glads. and the ultimate topper -- at the end, gladiator HIMSELF, IN HIS OWN WORDS, ADMITS thor is too strong. what the hell more proof do people need??!
ah well . . .
Originally posted by leonidas i still fail to see how people claim thor didn't beat glads in thor 32-33 (??) when thor finally admitted to getting pissed and not being able to view glads as a friend he demolished glads. and the ultimate topper -- at the end, gladiator HIMSELF, IN HIS OWN WORDS, ADMITS thor is too strong. what the hell more proof do people need??!ah well . . . [/B]
Thor's beaten Gladiator
Gladiator's beaten Thor
As far as i know, they're even on that front...
Superman looses, if gladiator is fighting to save the shiar, for the honor of the shiar(superman insults them), or if gladiator is really pissed off.
He would be at full confidence and that is like pre-crisis superman level.
Glaidiator ripped stars in half, fly at 100 x light, and etc.
At that level, he'd only have to hit post-crisis(assuming that is who he is fighting) superman 1 or 2 times and his lights would be out, for good.
If gladiator isn't at his full capacity, he might have a problem on his hands.
As for, the confidence thing, its true(mostly), but then again, the same can be said for superman.
People are so quick to bring up the "confidence" thing with gladiator, but they don't realize that superman is the same way, he rushes into some battles thinking he can just walk up to you and punch you, then he finds out the person ain't so easy, then he gets his ass kicked.
Yeah, they may write it so he comes back and wins later on, but the true remains that he initially gets his ass kicked.
So this fight could go either way, if not for the fact that a confident gladiatort is still leagues above a confident superman.
Not to mention gladiator's superior fighting skills.
Superman looses, either way.
(p.s. don't say gladiator is a superman rip off, cause he isn't.They have some simular powers, but they also have some diffenrent powers.
If thats the case, then every hero is just a rip off of the previous one who had a few simular powers.
And still if it were true, it wouldn't change the fact that gladiator would kick superman's ass.)
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