Superman vs Gladiator.

Originally posted by Spire
Lolz.

Storm, Angel, and Rogue absolutely could have pulled the earth as well.

you know what you said was dumb, i'm not even going to make fun of you.

Hopefully he knows.

*yawn*

LOL

WUT?

Originally posted by leonidas
and goob--the flight v strength thing has ALWAYS been a puzzling issue. so superman FLIES . . . stronger than anyone? 😕

makes no sense. regardless, i think holding a singularity in his hand (and the diameter of the event horizon is irrelevent) is a far greater strength AND durability feat than anything gladiator has done.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Has this been stated on panel or is it a theory?

it goes for everyone who flies since their legs aren't helping them lift in the air

Originally posted by leonidas

regardless, i think holding a singularity in his hand (and the diameter of the event horizon is irrelevent) is a far greater strength AND durability feat than anything gladiator has done.

can't be that latter since that would be totally false.

Yup, which is why I was asking.

Originally posted by Mindset
Are you saying the diameter is irrelevant in regards to Glad's feats, since iyo it is still superior, or it's irrelevant since no matter the diameter it is the same strength as a larger black hole?

i don't even know what you're asking. 😬

glad's feat is irrelevent in comparison to superman's feat however. the idea that superman held a singularity (regardless of the size of the event horizon) is among the greatest strength feats ever performed. to form a singularity, a star must have a MINIMUM of 3 solar masses. the mass remains while the density of material is compressed to infinity.

at MINIMUM superman held in his hand the equivalent of 3 suns. now, whether the author understood that or not is debateable. i'm not arguing the ridiculous nature of the feat, just what it implies. black holes also gain mass via accretion. with such a small event horizon it couldn't have gained much more additional mass, but really, it doesn't matter--though since it was self-sustaining, it should have been accreting material at near light speed. and having contact with it alone is an immense durability feat as well since somehow his aura was NOT being accreted.

it's a crazy a$$ feat . . .

if it was a real singularity, the proximity to earth would have been drastic. assuming superman's hand could contain it (who the f knows how), even a hole the size of an atom would be enough room for the air, the other people, and the building they were in to fall into the singularity in an atom stream.

and it still wouldn't be a strength feat since a singularity of three solar masses would be more dense than the earth and therefore the earth would be a gravity slave of the black hole. it's more of a durability feat.

for example, surfer has flown through REAL sized black holes with ease, putting his hand around a tiny one would be cake. not really impressive if you think about it.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't even know what you're asking. 😬

glad's feat is irrelevent in comparison to superman's feat however. the idea that superman held a singularity (regardless of the size of the event horizon) is among the greatest strength feats ever performed. to form a singularity, a star must have a MINIMUM of 3 solar masses. the mass remains while the density of material is compressed to infinity.

at MINIMUM superman held in his hand the equivalent of 3 suns. now, whether the author understood that or not is debateable. i'm not arguing the ridiculous nature of the feat, just what it implies. black holes also gain mass via accretion. with such a small event horizon it couldn't have gained much more additional mass, but really, it doesn't matter--though since it was self-sustaining, it should have been accreting material at near light speed. and having contact with it alone is an immense durability feat as well since somehow his aura was NOT being accreted.

it's a crazy a$$ feat . . .

If it was a 3 solar mass black hole, its radius would be 9 km.

So no, Supes did not hold the equivalent mass of 3 suns, 1 solar mass black hole would have the radius of 3 km, so he didn't even hold the equivalent of one sun.

All black holes do not have the same level of intensity, which is what you seem to be saying.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
if it was a real singularity, the proximity to earth would have been drastic. assuming superman's hand could contain it (who the f knows how), even a hole the size of an atom would be enough room for the air, the other people, and the building they were in to fall into the singularity in an atom stream.

and it still wouldn't be a strength feat since a singularity of three solar masses would be more dense than the earth and therefore the earth would be a gravity slave of the black hole. it's more of a durability feat.

for example, surfer has flown through REAL sized black holes with ease, putting his hand around a tiny one would be cake. not really impressive if you think about it.

i agree it's a great durability feat. it implies that superman's aura (his hand) was capable of shielding the outside world from the gravitational effects of the hole.

it IS a strength feat though. he was able to withstand the effects with his hand (resist the pull). it certainly wasn't flight assisted so keeping his fingers and hand from being sucked in is an enormous feat. i'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to earth being a gravity slave. superman prevented the gravittional effects from escaping--he contained them in his hand. the entire mass of the singularity was concentrated in his hand, if only briefly.

regardless, i think we can agree it was an extremely impressive feat.

The effects could not be contained by his hand if were are taking the properties of a real black hole into consideration. That is if we are going off the premise that it is a 3 solar mass black hole.

Originally posted by Mindset
If it was a 3 solar mass black hole, its radius would be 9 km.

So no, Supes did not hold the equivalent mass of 3 suns, 1 solar mass black hole would have the radius of 3 km, so he didn't even hold the equivalent of one sun.

All black holes do not have the same level of intensity, which is what you seem to be saying.

Originally posted by Mindset
If it was a 3 solar mass black hole, its radius would be 9 km.

So no, Supes did not hold the equivalent mass of 3 suns, 1 solar mass black hole would have the radius of 3 km, so he didn't even hold the equivalent of one sun.

All black holes do not have the same level of intensity, which is what you seem to be saying.

huh?

in order for a singularity to form, a star with a minimum of 3 solar masses needs to collapse upon itself. if not, it becomes a neutron star.

the event horizon does not travel at infinite speed. it's not "born" with a 3km radius. it accretes to that radius. the singularity can't form without the mass of at least 3 suns. so . . . not sure what you're talking about.

a neutron star alone is about the size of a city but weighs as much as the sun. a singularity is infinitely more compressed and has a far greater mass that is compressed.

it takes more than a star with a mass of 3 solar masses to collapse into a black hole anyway.

the cygnus x-1 singularity came from a star like ...8 times that size

Originally posted by leonidas
huh?

in order for a singularity to form, a star with a minimum of 3 solar masses needs to collapse upon itself. if not, it becomes a neutron star.

the event horizon does not travel at infinite speed. it's not "born" with a 3km radius. it accretes to that radius. the singularity can't form without the mass of at least 3 suns. so . . . not sure what you're talking about.

a neutron star alone is about the size of a city but weighs as much as the sun. a singularity is infinitely more compressed and has a far greater mass that is compressed.

the singularity supes held would be something like a man-made knock off