Originally posted by psycho gundam
it takes more than a star with a mass of 3 solar masses to collapse into a black hole anyway.the cygnus x-1 singularity came from a star like ...8 times that size
exactly. a singularity is a singularity. infinite curvature of spacetime is . . . infinite curvature. super massiver black holes possess more mass because they started out heavier but also because they have had more time to feed.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
^but that would result in a black hole millions of time the size of what supes held. (cygnus X-1)look up what mindset posted, it's all there bro.
ahhhh . . . i see what you're saying. i stand corrected. apologies gentlemen. 🙂
it appears from the picture (iirc) that the black hole fit inside the palm of his hand. with that being the limit of the event horizon then, we can assume the mass was still enormous--a couple inches across. so somwhere in the neighborhood of a very large planet.
bah!
it was friggin heavy AND it was a hell of a durability feat. 🙂
Originally posted by Charmanderyes.
Question:Aren't there microscopic black holes that close in nanoseconds?
the feat in question is if superman LIFTED the thing, imo he certainly did not since a point singularity is more massive than earth, that would make the earth fall to the singularity. a durability feat not lifting since supes blocked the (apparently non existent) gravity well from consuming their surroundings.
Originally posted by leonidastechnically it's not heavy since the earth would have revolved around the object since it was more massive.
it was friggin heavy AND it was a hell of a durability feat. 🙂
and yes it was a high-herald level durability feat, even if we ignore that it takes an object going faster than light to escape the pull, a stationary hand is ....not good enough.
Originally posted by leonidas
with that being the limit of the event horizon then, we can assume the mass was still enormous--a couple inches across. so somwhere in the neighborhood of a very large planet.
So wait, you wanna extrapolate something that literally can't be proven or even guessed at, yet use suspension of disbelief for Glads planet-busting feat?
Okay. I see how it is. 😛
You keep putting down people like Gladiator and even Hercules, who you say you're a fan of. I'll keep representin' 'em. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
So wait, you wanna extrapolate something that literally can't be proven or even guessed at, yet use suspension of disbelief for Glads planet-busting feat?Okay. I see how it is. 😛
You keep putting down people like Gladiator and even Hercules, who you say you're a fan of. I'll keep representin' 'em. 😛
but we can guess. sort of. a black hole with earth's mass would have a limit of about 9mm. the thing he held was about the size of his palm. so . . .
it was heavy. 😄
his hand resisted the pull of the singularity as well. as great strength feat.
and i'll usually always play devil's advocate in the formun because, well, it's a lot more fun. 😂
Originally posted by leonidasWell weight is dependent on gravity. So it could have a mass larger than Earth, but what would its weight be?
but we can guess. sort of. a black hole with earth's mass would have a limit of about 9mm. the thing he held was about the size of his palm. so . . .it was heavy. 😄
his hand resisted the pull of the singularity as well. as great strength feat.
and i'll usually always play devil's advocate in the formun because, well, it's a lot more fun. 😂
Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes pulling a planet isn't really a strength feat, it's a flight feat. There's a scan floating around the forum where he's pulling a large ship with just his "flight" power while his strength and durability have been completely nullified. Don't get me wrong because Glad's uses the same type of thing(which is why the Baxter Building didn't crumble when he lifted it) so I'm not saying that Glads pulling/lifting feats are more valid, I'm just pointing out that Supes's feat in no way indicates that he's physically strong enough to pull a planet.
Are you really going to continue using Byrne era statements even after people have already directly adressed this (I remember Juntai specifically) in an attempt to demean Superman's feats at every turn ? And if you'd actually read Superman, having an overall view on everything, and not pick random decades old scans from a period that has mostly been retconned, there wouldn't be the need for someone to point out that using that is wrong.
It sort of reminds me of the Mr Master/Phoenix complex, where he tries to demean her at every chance he gets.
But I got to admit, this has made me laugh even more:
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i give superman the benefit of the doubt though, the silver surfer can fly through real size black hole effortlessly, superman was struggling to contain a tiny baby one.but since he held it and didn't at least lose a hand, it's a nice feat
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This post regarding black holes is a little late, but I couldn't resist commenting.
As I understand it, a black hole is not dependent on mass alone but on mass in relation to volume. Giant stars become black holes because of their mass in relation to their stellar volume. A walnut, too, could be made into a black hole if it could be compressed small enough (probably to a size smaller than a proton). If it's magnetically charged, then a refrigerator magnet could "hold" (suspend) such a black hole very easily and with no ill effects.
I know I'm also commenting in a vacuum w/o that Supes/black hole scan. I remember it, thinking 'That's pretty cool', but given all the discussion regarding black holes on the previous page, I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.
Anyway, I think Supes takes this because he is the master brawler.