Superman vs Gladiator.

Originally posted by leonidas
i was implying that he was containing the catastrophic pull within the event horizon and preventing the hole from feeding too quickly. but what you're saying makes sense re: the anti-gravitons. the feat itself is just hard to grasp. crazy

he DID fly with it in his hands though (john stewart helped him out). even with the help of a single GL, flying around with a blackhole in his hands and holding it for a prolonged length of time is damn impressive.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well yeah, if my theory is correct then flying with it while it's shut off from affecting the outside world via equal anti-graviton emission would make it "weightless". (actually, it wouldn't be attracting outside matter/energy since it's gravity well is being negated)

IF. but he ended up relieving pressure by building up a static electric charge and stewart then used magnets to further relieve some pressure. so . . .

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Originally posted by darthgoober
False.

My scans in no way state that when he moves something it's due to willpower alone and that strength is never an issue, just that there's something else at work. That doesn't mean that whatever he's talking about is the ONLY thing at work, I've always taken it to mean ALSO at work. And as for your scan, do you have any idea how often phrases like "through willpower alone..." get thrown around in comics? A lot. I could probably find a dozen scans saying something similar of Captain America when he's pushing his strength to the max, but it doesn't mean that his muscles aren't doing the work because he's "willing" whatever he's doing to happen. It's called colorful writing. Don't get me wrong because I can totally understand some people interpreting the scans that way, but that was never the interpretation that I myself was espousing.

And my argument is supported by more than just those scans, according to Juntai(who's not prone to lying that I know of) Supes's powers are(not were) often attributed to telekinesis of some form. Now if you can get Juntai in here to say that he was wrong or misspoke and that Supes's powers have NEVER been attributed to anything like tk since the Byrne's day I'll totally accept that because as I pointed out Juntai's a pretty strait shooter and isn't one to lie.

Your problem is that you're so intent on trying to make me look bad that you're grasping at straws to discredit my argument and stance on the matter. That's probably why you seem so pissed now that I've proven your accusations of my changing my argument to be false. But I never changed my argument and I still haven't, Supes lifting/pulling/pushing feats while flying aren't invalid because his strength isn't a factor, they're invalid because we don't know how much of it is physical strength and how much of it is his "flight power". It's an inconsistently portrayed phenomenon, Juntai even said as much. As is, the way I see it...

Facts.

1. Evidence has been posted that Supes's flight IS a factor in his pulling/pushing/lifting things while flying.
2. No evidence has been posted that Supes's flight power ISN'T a factor in his pulling/pushing/lifting things while flying.

You could easily use his pyramid lifting feat. Its pretty much common sense on why the pyramid didnt crumble when he was lifting it.

Originally posted by Charmander
That's because he's gay.

You'd like that.

Also, lulz at you randomly appearing out of nowhere.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Supreme, Glads and Majestic are way cooler though.

Not really.

Originally posted by Allankles
Not really.

Moore's rebooted Supreme was a homosexual, I'm convinced. So he wasn't cool. Glads is pretty cool, but so is Austen-written Superman. Not to mention a total prick.

Majestic = cooler than Supes. 😄

Originally posted by psycho gundam
fail. *but good on you for putting a question mark after "lawlz" since you yourself had to be unsure of what you attempted to pull. 👆 *

anyway, superman was struggling with the singularity in both instances (holding the small one and this one), and this one in particular he was going balls-to-the-walls to get away from it. he didn't even get withing the event horizon (the schwarzchild radius he's thinking about), heh which the writer erroneously stated required a speed matching the speed of light to escape. it's actually a speed above light to actually move away from he singularity.

and that's not a ftl feat either, superman didn't cross the event horizon so he didn't need to cross the light barrier to escape, he was frozen by push/pull before the speed of light would be required to escape. just saying

anyway, silver surfer goes through them unharmed, shit, he can create the damn things. but superman still held a small one in his hands, it's still hell of a durability feat.

K, it appears as if somebody got a little too unjustifiably pretentious overnight. And you completely missed the point.

Before Superman was able to escape that double black hole, he was chillin in there for a solid 4-5 pages. That's easily one of the best/most impressive durability feats for any herald level character out there. Certainly more impressive than anything I've seen from Gladiator.

And in order to escape that double black hole, he was indeed required to accelerate past the speed of light.

Originally posted by batdude123
And obviously he did cross the event horizon because he was required to accelerate past the speed of light in order to escape it.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No he didn't. On panel, it even says he had to equal the speed of light to escape.

The writer's science was a little off. The point still remains. He was in the double black hole with no ill-effects.

Originally posted by batdude123
The writer's science was a little off. The point still remains. He was in the double black hole with no ill-effects.

I remember when reading that, was like, "What? No..." But the writer even mentions that it was a misconception that objects needed to travel FTL to escape it. So, apparently the mistake was intentional. Meh.

he wasn't "in it", he was near it, but not within the point of no return.

anyway, superman wins the majority. lowest would be 7 wins out of ten.

Supes 6/10. Very similar power sets. Supes just has more feats.

I am happy Marvel has Glads back in some arcs.

Originally posted by Badabing
Supes 6/10. Very similar power sets. Supes just has more feats.

I am happy Marvel has Glads back in some arcs.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
he wasn't "in it", he was near it, but not within the point of no return.

anyway, superman wins the majority. lowest would be 7 wins out of ten.

Have you actually read that comic? He wasn't just near the double black hole.

are you insinuating he was in the singularity(s)?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are you insinuating he was in the singularity(s)?

barker

Again, have you read the comic?

no, i've only seen what people presented as evidence.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no, i've only seen what people presented as evidence.

Superman 191. Torrent it.

I dont understand, why does supes get the majority