Marvel Universe Hierarchy

Originally posted by Cosmic_Beings
Ok, on the top of almost every list is 'The One Above All'.
News: TOAA IS A MERE CELETIAL, HE ISNT ABOVE THE LIVING TRIBUNAL! JUST THE LEADER OF THE CELESTIALS!
If you want to disagree with me, then provide the proof that a TOAA even exists, which you cannot.

we have discussed this already 😉

living tribunal refers to THE ONE ABOVE ALL. the one that he answers too. we havnt ever seen him. the only other reference we have to him is thanos in "the end" series in which he takes the power of TOAA (or it was atleast given to him). so you are wrong my friend. yes there is a celestial with that name also, but they are 2 separate beings/entities.

The one you're talking about is Stan Lee.

lol. dont mind CELESTIAL BEING guys, hes obsessed with provin that TOAA is just that stupid celestial.

hey , how about the fact that entropy recreated the universe, {n it wasnt exactly rick jones who destroyed it, entropy was the main power behind its destrucion}, doesnt that give entropy a lot of power, and remember that entropy must have needed to recreat all the abstracts{i think he must have used epiphany's help}, doesnt that also make him extremely powerfull.

Entrophy only killed Eternity, after which he became the new Eternity, and found out that they had the same ideas in the end after all.

but all the same, entropy did prove capable of destroyin the universe, along with all the abstracts in it, reguardless of what happened later, we have seen just how powerful entropy is.

and BTW, just how the hell does eternity look better than entropy?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and BTW, just how the hell does eternity look better than entropy?

What are you talking about? Eternity looks a billion times cooler than Entropy.
Here is how it went:
When Eternity was created, out of Eternity came Entropy, whose purpose was the opposite of Eternities. Eternity creates, Entrophy destroys. After Entropy finally destroyed the universe and killed Eternity (he has the same power level as Eternity, but he had Captain Marvels help, so he won), he realised that there is nothing left for him to destroy. Captain Marvel suggested that he should make something. It was the first time that Entropy ever thought of a new concept. So he created another big bang, and remade the universe exactly the way it was, and he became the new Eternity.

Entropy was able to kills his father, Eternity because Eternity basically had a death wish. He was tired of hanging around, he'd been doing so for a long long time. Entropy found that after killing him, he was bored, he'd been the force of decay for a very long time as well, and thought it would be nice to try something new. Marv was kind of pissed at this, as he preferred the quiet, but used his Kree gun to create the big bang, Entropy was born again as Eternity, turning into his father.

It's nearly and age old complaint. We don't want to be our fathers when we grow up, we won't treat our kids the way we were treated, but when you hit 30, you start to understand their reasoning and you start to do what they did. I thought it was a great story, as was the entire run of CM.

ok look, now u said it urself, that entropy destroyed the whole universe{that does not only mean eternity, but it means evry abstract there is in the universe}, n then later on it reacreated the whole universe, n that means that it didnt just turn into the new eternity but, it recreated every other abstrct that was required fer the existance of the universe, so now tell me, who is more powerful ETERNITY or ENTROPY.

Eternity and Entrophy had the exact same power level.

man, you are stubborn as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just explsained to you just why i thought that entropy is above eternity, but ur not listenin are you! if you can explain how entropy managed to destroy all the abstracts other than possibly, the living tribunal, without being stronger than them then, i will accept ur reasoning, otherwise................................................
hey not to mention tha he RECREATED those abstracts again, when he remade the whole universe, explain that, if u still say that he is not above eternity.

Regarding the abstracts, it DOES NOT MATTER how "POWERFUL" they are. THe classical definition of power is irrelevent. What matters is how fundemental they are and what abilities they have.

well entropy, as a concept, is probably like an ultimate version of death, meaning that it can actually bring death to DEATH. fundamentally, it has several meanings, ywo of which are:1:the tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve towards a state of inert uniformity.2:enevitabilty, and steady deterioration of a system

entropy is defined at a measurement of disorder (chaos)

leonheartmm

man, you are stubborn as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just explsained to you just why i thought that entropy is above eternity, but ur not listenin are you! if you can explain how entropy managed to destroy all the abstracts other than possibly, the living tribunal, without being stronger than them then, i will accept ur reasoning, otherwise................................................
hey not to mention tha he RECREATED those abstracts again, when he remade the whole universe, explain that, if u still say that he is not above eternity.

Ah, but who says Eternity can't destroy the other abstract beings? Eternity just never tried. Furthermore, during the Infinity Gauntlet, every abstract showed up except for Eternity. They battled and battled then a triumpant Thanos called Eternity out, refering to the rest a Eternity's lackey. Additionally, Galactus regards Death and Eternity as his siblings as they were created in the same big bang; Galactus being the sole survivor of the previous universe. If this is so, other abstract beings would be considered Eternity's children.

It probably goes like this.

Death/Oblivion, Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Epiphany

Originally posted by Beyonder
Ah, but who says Eternity can't destroy the other abstract beings?

i dont know if he could or not 🙂

Originally posted by Beyonder

Eternity just never tried.

i dont think he has.

Originally posted by Beyonder

Furthermore, during the Infinity Gauntlet, every abstract showed up except for Eternity.

this is false. eternity was present. he just took a different action and faced thanos by himself.

Originally posted by Beyonder

Death/Oblivion, Eternity/Infinity/Entropy/Epiphany

i'd put eternity above death simply because death has to have life in order to "survive" or exist. where as eternity does not. plus he is all there is........ in a single reality. i would assume that death is somehow a part of him, as with infiinity.

Never said he wasn't present. Thanos regarded everyone else as Eternity's lackey.

After creating the big bang, Entropy and Genis watched all of time unfold, and then plopped themselves into the right moment more or less. The entities came about as they naturally would.

ok beyonder, in saying that all other cosmic beings were eternity's lackeys, uve just proven my point! lets just assume that eternity is the supreme out of the abstracts as u said wel then, entropy DEFEATED eternity, didnt it? lets just look at that fact and screw the recreation fer now. since it defeated eternity, it is more powerful then eternity, and since u said that all the other abstracts were lackeys of eternity, that means that entropy is above them too. hah.