Marvel Universe Hierarchy

JuggernautFan, this is stupid. You're talking about it from the Marvel Universes perspected, that the feats Beyonder performed was an illusion. That's your take, and it's true if you wanna look it at that way.

My take on it is from a reader's perspective. From a reader's perspective, before Marvel decided to make Beyonder's feat into "Illusions," Beyonder did do all those high feats. However, after Marvel reconned him, he turned out to be lower in the totem pole. I'm not claiming the Beyonder is actually that power, I'm claiming that before Marvel reconned his feats - he was above everyone and everything.

Despite what he and every others claimed after the reckon, Pre-Reconned Beyonder was ABOVE LT. The whole "ILLUSION" was the tool to recon his entire feat and save face for every being in the Marvel Universe.

Blab about me not knowing what a recon is, but the problem is each of our perspective. [b]In Marvel continum, the Beyonder's feat isn't was an illusion as you said. From a readers perspective and NOT TAKING THE RECON INTO ACCOUNT, the Beyonder seen and read about was, AT THE TIME MARVEL WROTE AND INTENED, above everyone and everything thing.

leonheartmm

dudes, why the hell doesnt anyone agree that my list is the better one? and again, y isnt the infinite being mentioned in ne list?

The "True Beyonders" are at the powers of Pre-Reconned Beyonder. Why I didn't include them is because their isn't much know about them. They're tool to explain the cosmic cubes origin and recon the Beyonder's orginal feats. Aside from that, what have they done. Anything else written about them? Have they actually performed a feat aside from hearsay that their powers make up the cubes and cube beings? At least LT goes around and proclaims that his power is a represention of TOAA. LT actually demonstrates and serves this TOAA. The True Beyonders have done squat nothing.

As for the Infinites, what have they done to demonstrate that their above the Heart Of the Universe, LT, the IG? So Eternity fit in the hands of one Infinite, what about it? If they're truly more powerful than Infinity Gauntlet, then why did one have to sacrifice itself to bring forth life? With a thought, the Infinity Gauntlet wiped out half the life in the universe. With a thought, the IG can bring life back. And you wanna rank the Infinites above The Heart of the Universe, LT, and the Infinity Gauntlet? C'mon!

leonheartmm

1. the one above all
2. true beyonders
3. infinte being
4. living tribunal
5. the infinites/entropy{cant figure out who}
6. posessor of the heart of the universe
7. wielder of the infinite gauntlet
8. eternity/death/epiphany/abraxas{ithink thats his name}
9. master order and lord chaos

dude!!!!!!!! u totally misunderstood me! LOL, I DONT MEAN THE INFINITES! OR THE ABSTRACT INFINITE! LOL, I WAS TALKIN ABOUT THE INFINITE BEING, IT IS SAID THAT BEFORE EXISTANCE WAS EVER CREATED, TOAA, CREATED THE INFINITE BEING, THIS WAS THE SUM TOTAL OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE, IT WAS COMPLETE IN ITSELF, BUT SLOWLY, BY FEELING DESIRE, LOSS, AND OTHER NEEDS, IT FELT THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ALL THAT THERE WAS, IT STILL WASNT, SATISFIED, FILLED WITH THIS DESPAIR, IT COMITTED SUICIDE AND CREATED EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS{OTHER THAN THE BEYOND REALM}, AND THAT INCLUDES THE HEART OF THE UNIVERSE} SO THIS MAKES IT TECHNICALLY, GREATER THAN THOTU, also, the only thing that infact existed other than itself was the beyond realm, n that is the reason why true beyonders are so powerful as they are beyond the power of the heart of the universe, and the only other being that is not associated with the infinite being is the living tribunal{i dont think he is but i cant be sure of this fact}, i say this because i think that he is a seperate entity created by TOAA, and is probably out of bound of this universe{well i say that cause he wasnt affected by the infinite gauntlet}

now i believe that ull start to inderstand my list

and there is one more thing, the being whose hand engulfed eternity itself was not one of the infinites, he was only a being CREATED BY THE INFINITES AS A MESSENGER, THAT LEADS ME TO CONCLUDE THAT THE INFINITES ARE UNIMAGINABLY POWERFUL, but u have a point when u say that the infinite had to sacrifice his life to bring back life, but all the same, they did demonstrate that even their messenger was greater than eternoty by many times, well i dunno what to do with em now, maybe the infinites should be put out of the list because they remain a complete enigma

u might think that the true beyonders have done nothing but they have actually done a lot, they have gazed at the universe from the begining, they at first tried to figure out what was it that drove all beings in the universe{now my memories of this whole beyonders story are a bit hazy so excuse me if i put something incorrect on}, so they sent different beings of great power to figure out the thing which drove every sentience,i think it was the celestials that they used as their agent, they gave different beings{including the beings that would later become gods of the earth} their strength through the celestials, in time , depending on what the being did with their power, they figured out that the thing that drove everything in the universe was desire, now from what i know, it ends there, but look at their effect on the world, if indeed the celestials were their agents than all the life on this and many other planets is because of the beyonders, alsol it was the celestials that were responsible for mutation, and many of the other realms like asgard and olympia, have gods in them because it was the beyonders who gave them their powers,

hey did i mention that they were also responsible fer all the cosmic cubes like kubik, fake beyonder and the shaper of worls

leonheartmm

now i believe that ull start to inderstand my list

Nope, shouldn't have added LT to my response earlier.

And I was repsonding to the infinites, not the infinite being. You listed the infinites at number 5 above The Heart Of The Universe & the IG. How can the Infinites be above the Heart or the Gauntlet if both can wipe life out of existence with a mere thought and bring life back with ease as well. Also, the Heart is ABOVE LT. Thanos beat LT with the Heart. If the Infinites are above the Heart according to your list, then the Infinites would be above LT as well. The Heart gives you TOAA's power basically. And if an Infinite had to kill itself to save life, then it's NOT above the Infinity Gauntlet in power.

[b]leonheartmm

1. the one above all
2. true beyonders
3. infinte being
4. living tribunal
5. the infinites/entropy{cant figure out who} <======= above Heart
6. posessor of the heart of the universe
7. wielder of the infinite gauntlet
8. eternity/death/epiphany/abraxas{ithink thats his name}
9. master order and lord chaos[b]

Regarding the Celestial's place in the universe, I don't know where you got what you got about them being agents of the True Beyonders. There's evidence that the Celestials could be manifestations of Eternity.

http://www.geocities.com/brenni_au/Celestials101.html

that seems a little more reasonable... original beyonder was not one of the beyonder's, but a being they created. He is only perhaps a fraction of a beyonder. Also I think people are putting too much spin on their interpretation of the Beyonder and powering him down way too much. A cosmic cube being is still far more powerful than a celestial. No one has or ever will see a true beyonder because they dwell in a dimension where light does not exist

hmmm, as i said before, i put the infinites above the heart of the universe because they have both showed power beyond that of the absytracts and some undeniable weaknesses that barely give them the power levels of thanos, but what theyy r is a complete enigma, so i dont think thell be in my list nemore. and the only real mistake i made was that i put THOTU above living tribunal.

and theres one more mistake u made, THOTU does not give u the power of the one above all, it just gives u complete control over the multiverse, n seeing that the beyond realm is not part of the multiverse, it does not give u the power of the one above all, neway, it was a long time agp that i remember that i read that when thanos used the heart of the universe to destroy the universe, the entity known as the end, which embodies utter and complete destruction was all that existed afterwards, and it acknowledged of the might of the one above all{althoug i could be mistaken about this, but i dont think i am}, so that would mean that the one above aall is more powerful than THOTU

neway, i was wondering, should SENTRY, be counted as more powerful than galactus, i mean the guy has the power of a thousand suns , and from what he remembers of his forgotten past, he was omnipotent in it, and from what i remember, galactus when he died, showed his true form , which was a star

neway. what about entropy, it was also able to destroy the whole universe, with a little help from rick jones, u think im right about his placing?

I didn't say anything about Sentry or Entropy because I don't know a thing about them. However, destroying a whole universe is a task the IG can pull off in my opinion. If there's any other feat to demonstrate it's far more powerful, please post it.

As for your list, here's my opinion on how it should go:

1. the one above all
2. true beyonders
3. infinte being
4. the heart of the universe -> 'cause LT couldn't do squatt to Thanos w/ it
5. living tribunal
6. wielder of the infinite gauntlet
7. the infinites/entropy{cant figure out who} -> Haven't seen much from both to put them above the IG. What feats would put them above the IG?
8. eternity/death/epiphany/abraxas{ithink thats his name}
9. master order and lord chaos

yea my list should go that way, ur right, but with one exception, two actuall, take the infinites out of it, and put enropy in the place of the infinite gauntlet, and the gauntlet should be below entropy, thas cause the gauntlett itself has never destroyed the whole unoverse, but entropy has, n after the destrucion of the universe, it has also remade the world out of nuthin and it later became the new eternity as the old one was dead, neway, LT stopped the infinity gauntlett but it didnt stop entropy, maybe as entropy said it himself tha he was" beyond the cosmos, outside it's perimeters and parameters." maybe thas y LT cudnt stop him. but neway. entropy looks very cool too.

ENTROPY

When did Entropy kill Eternity? Are you refering to when he helped Captain Marvel kill Eternity? The Gauntlet was above Eternity; the only reason Thanos never destroyed the universe was because he didn't want to. He was playing around with everyone; he never intended to destroy it, could've if he wanted. LT never stopped the Gauntlet, Eternity bitched to LT about Thanos having it, and LT didn't care.

The only time LT intervened was when Warlock had it, and Eternity brought a case against him, accusing Warlock of having an unstable pass and unfit to become the universe's ruler. Even Warlock himself wasn't able to defend his pass, so LT ruled against him. During that try, Eternity pissed Warlock off who proceeded to punk Eternity using the Gauntlet. Everyone there was a victim to Warlock's wrath until LT snapped his fingers and called for restoration of order. When Magus had the Gauntlet during Infinity Wars, LT didn't wasn't even concerned cause Magus didn't want to destroy the universe, as Thanos didn't. Entropy replaced Eternity as the new Eternity - circle life basically. Why would LT interfere with that? I still think the Gauntlet is above Entropy, killing Eternity was a feat Thanos could've done but never wanted.

so entropy is the NEW eternity??? when did this happen???? i'd like to read more about it.

i think eternity looked better though.

yeah Entropy is pretty gay looking.

i do have "the end" series in which thanos destroys the multi verse, and the infinity gauntlet series (both in book format) if anybody is interested in the heirarchy of the marvel universe. these really put into perspective most of the characters mentioned in this forum (except for entropy as i've never heard of him).

Entropy became the new Eternity in Captain Marvel v4 #5 or 6. The first 6 issues is the opening storyline, revolving around father and son relationships on a cosmic scale. Entropy hates his father, who is Eternity and wishes to supplant him. He kills Eternity and with him, the entire universe (save Genis, Rick Jones and Epiphany who is Entropy's sister). He finds it quite dull, and decides to restart the universe (Genis' gun is in essence, the big bang, because they needed an energy discharge to catalyze the process). This restarts the universe, and...Entropy is reborn as Eternity (he looks exactly like his father did). Despite all his protests and schemes, he ends up just like his father, exploring the father-son relationship dynamic on a cosmic scale.

The universe is exactly like it was, with minor changes here and there in the upper echelons of cosmic happenings (Phyla--Genis' sister his mom being alive, etc.)

Ok, on the top of almost every list is 'The One Above All'.
News: TOAA IS A MERE CELETIAL, HE ISNT ABOVE THE LIVING TRIBUNAL! JUST THE LEADER OF THE CELESTIALS!
If you want to disagree with me, then provide the proof that a TOAA even exists, which you cannot.