i dont think its wierd, black panther is a native animal to africa, which makes sense that a black guy took up the panther, especially with spiritual tribes, i mean a white guy in the black panther suit would be completely wierd to me, and although it sort of goes along with the black panther party its either just coincidence or someone wanted people making that connection, after all its just the name of an animal
This is what I have noticed about panther when he fights people who are obviously more powerful than he is, he prepares for them but if the person he is fighting is close to his level he tends to want to fight them and show that he is Superior because of his panther like abilities. This the kind of attitude that he is going to take when he fights the capt. But it will not be good enough.
The reasoning for this he never stops referring to himself as my panther this or that.
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
This is what I have noticed about panther when he fights people who are obviously more powerful than he is, he prepares for them but if the person he is fighting is close to his level he tends to want to fight them and show that he is Superior because of his panther like abilities. This the kind of attitude that he is going to take when he fights the capt. But it will not be good enough.The reasoning for this he never stops referring to himself as my panther this or that.
This is probably one of the MAIN reasons I don't like his books. He comes across as a holyer-than-thou pompous ass who's always preaching about how great Wakanda is, yet he never stays over there. Cap preaches too sometimes, but at least I'm an American, so I can relate. And BP is a lot like Bat Man in that if he has time to prepare, he would have a good chance at beating Cap, but in a spur-of-the-moment one-on-one, all he has is what he's got with him, and that ain't going to be enough to defeat Captain America.
And since a certain BP 'fanboy' (who shall remain nameless Nathaniel Grey) keeps referring to BP's anti-metal claws, let's talk about that. One, in all entries about Cap, the 'nearly' indestructible part they refer to is the separation of the molecular bond by a thermo-nuclear detonation at ground zero. I don't think BP carries that around with him in his li'l utility belt. And Cap's shield is NOT made of Vibranium, it is made of an Adamantium/Vibranium composite that even the guys who created it can't figure out how to duplicate. So, unless Cap is going to hand his shield over to BP and give the 'genius' a few years to analyze its molecular structure to figure out how to deal with it, I don't see how he's going to keep from getting it 'SPANGED' upside his head by Cap.
AND, if we're allowing BP some latitude to prepare for Cap, then Cap gets the same. I'm sure we can all agree that Cap is the better fighter, so that being understood, we can agree that Cap would indeed 'know' his opponent. Contrary to the rantings of a certain BP 'fanboy', Cap DID help Panther enhance his fighting abilities, so Cap is aware of how BP fights and what his tools consist of. Therefore, Cap chooses to bring the gauntlet with the built-in shield made of solid compressed ions, his 'energy shield', and he'll 'SPANG' THAT upside BP's head instead, just like he did in "Contest of Champions II", where Cap defeated Panther in just a couple of pages.
And the whole Red Skull thing is a dead issue, because Cap has beaten Red Skull in every match-up they've ever had, except for the time Skull had the Power Armor and Cap had just been 'surprized' by having his apartment blow up in his face and seeing Diamondback's dead body laying at Skull's feet. Hell, Cap even beat Red Skull while he was holding the Cosmic Cube!
Your arguments are weak, Nathaniel Grey.
Cap wins.
Originally posted by Capt.JK
This is probably one of the MAIN reasons I don't like his books. He comes across as a holyer-than-thou pompous ass who's always preaching about how great Wakanda is, yet he never stays over there. Cap preaches too sometimes, but at least I'm an American, so I can relate. And BP is a lot like Bat Man in that if he has time to prepare, he would have a good chance at beating Cap, but in a spur-of-the-moment one-on-one, all he has is what he's got with him, and that ain't going to be enough to defeat Captain America.
i think nathaniels arguements are strong, usually after i read your posts im all for cap, then after i read some of nathaniels argument i change my mind yet again, for now bp would win imo
Originally posted by Capt.JK
This is probably one of the MAIN reasons I don't like his books. He comes across as a holyer-than-thou pompous ass who's always preaching about how great Wakanda is, yet he never stays over there. Cap preaches too sometimes, but at least I'm an American, so I can relate. And BP is a lot like Bat Man in that if he has time to prepare, he would have a good chance at beating Cap, but in a spur-of-the-moment one-on-one, all he has is what he's got with him, and that ain't going to be enough to defeat Captain America.
Holier than thou? The Black Panther is a warrior King in a long line of warrior Kings. Emphasis on King. What do you expect from him? His role in the nation of Wakanda is both of a political and spiritual nature. He's like the blasted POPE in Wakanda, people seek him out not only as a political leader but as a spiritual and religious leader. ( IE; Black Panther was the Chieftain of the Panther Cult. ) So yes, he is considered " holier than thou " within his nation. He has always had to be held at higher standards than those around him simply because of his birthright. I believe even the good Captain to an extent realizes the burden that T'Challa must carry.
Black Panther bolstering on about Wakanda? What Black Panther comics have you been reading? Though Black Panther does have great love for his country he isn't as obsessed with patriotism as some red, white and blue boy scouts who shall remain nameless ( ::Coughs:: Captain America! ). So don't even compare him in that respect to a man who's every pair of boxer shorts is red, white and blue. You banter on about how you can't understand how Black Panther has love for his nation and yet turn around and state how you understand how Cap can love his? What's the bloody difference? Black Panther LOVES his people. Captain America LOVES his people. What's so difficult to grasp there? ( For the record, Wakanda is a MAKE believe African nation. )
Black Panther doesn't NEED time to " prepare " with Captain America. He's had over 2 decades of preparation to deal with Cap. Need I remind you when he initially JOINED the Avengers he did so as a SPY to see the threat that they posed against Wakandan National security? He's had PLENTY of time to learn well all of Caps strengths and weaknesses. So unlike Batman, prep-time is an unnecessary factor. T'Challa knows Rogers like the back of a Rhino's nut sack and will slap him down just like one too.
And since a certain BP 'fanboy' (who shall remain nameless Nathaniel Grey) keeps referring to BP's anti-metal claws, let's talk about that. One, in all entries about Cap, the 'nearly' indestructible part they refer to is the separation of the molecular bond by a thermo-nuclear detonation at ground zero. I don't think BP carries that around with him in his li'l utility belt. And Cap's shield is NOT made of Vibranium, it is made of an Adamantium/Vibranium composite that even the guys who created it can't figure out how to duplicate. So, unless Cap is going to hand his shield over to BP and give the 'genius' a few years to analyze its molecular structure to figure out how to deal with it, I don't see how he's going to keep from getting it 'SPANGED' upside his head by Cap.
I never said his shield was merely " vibranium ". I've always said it was an adamantium/vibranium alloy. You should read my posts closer then you'd realize that I was correct in many of my conclusions. 😉 I personally don't see what you don't get about the concept of " anti-metal " claws. Allow me to break it down to you so that even you can understand it my friend. " Anti " as in counteracting, neutralizing and or destroying. And metal as in any of a category of electro positive elements that usually have a shiny surface, are generally good conductors of heat and electricity, and can be melted or fused, hammered into thin sheets. Now if you put it all together I think it pretty much breaks down what the Black Panther's claws can do to Caps shield
Again. It's been a better part of two decades and I'm sure by NOW Black Panther has a pretty good idea of what Captain America's shield is possible of as well as its elements. Why ELSE would he have anti-metal claws? Hm? Maybe just for decoration? And for the record -- unlike Captain America -- the Black Panther has DRASTICALLY changed since his Avengers days of " cat-like skills " and " superior tumbling abilities. " So Cap is in for many surprises when he goes against the Cat-Man.
AND, if we're allowing BP some latitude to prepare for Cap, then Cap gets the same. I'm sure we can all agree that Cap is the better fighter, so that being understood, we can agree that Cap would indeed 'know' his opponent. Contrary to the rantings of a certain BP 'fanboy', Cap DID help Panther enhance his fighting abilities, so Cap is aware of how BP fights and what his tools consist of. Therefore, Cap chooses to bring the gauntlet with the built-in shield made of solid compressed ions, his 'energy shield', and he'll 'SPANG' THAT upside BP's head instead, just like he did in "Contest of Champions II", where Cap defeated Panther in just a couple of pages.
I pretty much made the preptime issue a mute point since Black Panther already knows the tendencies of the good Captain. But! Since we're looking at all points of view lets see what Cap knows about T'Challa besides the fact that he's a " black " guy in a kitty cat costume. Oh wait...that's right...T'Challa's been an inactive Avenger for a LONG time, right? So he's been developing behind the closed doors of Wakanda into the character that Christopher J. Priest created while Captain America is virtually the same guys he's been since the Avengers thawed him out. But then I'm sure Cap is well informed. In all seriousness I'm sure he's got a clue about a few of T'Challa's advancements -- oh wait...that's right. T'Challa doesn't tell anyone anything. He's secretive at all times and lets those around him know what he wants them to...no more no less. Captain America using his energy shield? That's plausible except for the fact that he'd NEVER use it while he had his original shield. NEVER. If I know anything about Captain America it's that he's traditional and has a GREAT sentimental hold on his original shield. You can't have it both ways man....only the Black Panther can do that. 😉
And the whole Red Skull thing is a dead issue, because Cap has beaten Red Skull in every match-up they've ever had, except for the time Skull had the Power Armor and Cap had just been 'surprized' by having his apartment blow up in his face and seeing Diamondback's dead body laying at Skull's feet. Hell, Cap even beat Red Skull while he was holding the Cosmic Cube!
How is it a dead issue? Are you denying that Red Skull is genetically identical to Captain America? Marvel doesn't. Are you denying that the EXACT SAME super soldier serum that runs through Red Skull's veins is the very same as the serum in Caps blood? Marvel doesn't. Yes, Red Skull does often " surprise " his foes when fighting them but that's what Black Panther's tactics always entail. You see he's not only the Chieftain of the Panther clan but he fights like one too. Black Panther uses guerrilla warfare to take down foes that prove to be physically superior in strength. Captain America is stronger, yes. I don't deny that but do you seriously think for a moment that BP is going to STAND there and let Cap pummel him? While Cap has the superior strength -- T'Challa has the superior speed and mobility. Captain America's speed in comparison to T'Challa's enhanced speed and his vibrabnium mesh suit can't compare. His mobility plus strength, plus " gadgets " spells certain doom for the good Captain.
Your arguments are weak, Nathaniel Grey.
Weak? Hardly. My points are finer than a victoria's secret model and sharper than a ginsu knife. My words and logic crush you into dust.
WooooooOoOosssssshhh!
Captain America 8 || Black Panther 10.
Here we go again.
Yes, I do realize that Wakanda is a fake country. Let's not be TOO condescending. My point is that I can't relate to him. His whole monarchy thing is not the way true Americans think (which is probably why I like Cap so much), and to hear him prattle on and on about "my throne this" and "my kingdom that" gets a bit tedious and boring (for me). Another reason I like Cap is that he does not perceive himself as any more important than anyone else. I'm sure Cap does appreciate the responsibilities of BP's office, just as he does the President's, but it doesn't mean that I have to give a crap.
Secondly, I never said that you stated his shield was ONLY made of Vibranium, but you have expounded quite thoroughly upon the subject of BP's extensive knowledge of the material. What you continuously gloss over though is that Cap's shield is, for lack of a better word, "special"; "one-of-a-kind"; "there can be only one". The properties of his shield have never been accurately duplicated, so knowing "what Cap's shield can do" does not give BP the knowledge he would need to damage it. He has nothing to compare his data against, no control to test his theories on.
Thirdly, you seem to think that BP is the only one with access to an extensive intelligence network. Cap has the highest level of security clearance available, and is a close friend of Nick Fury, the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. How can you think Cap is unable to keep appraised of the goings on behind the curtain of T'Challa and Wakanda's secrecy?
Also, You refer to Marvel.com. Well, they list Cap's speed as equal to BP's. And I can't find a single reference anywhere that states Black Panther is equal to Cap in ANY physical attribute. Captain America is the penultimate of human excellence. Black Panther is a close second. And second place doesn't win the gold.
And yes, I DO consider the Red Skull argument a dead issue. Cap has beaten him hundreds of times, when he was FAR more powerful than when Panther fought him, so to say that BP beat someone who was physically superior to him is indeed a feather in his cap, but the Red Skull IS NOT Captain America! Cap put a huge beat down on Man-Ape, who totally creamed BP AND the Avengers. But that has little to do with this fight.
From the beginning, your arguments tended to jump off focus (politics, economical power, etc.), but the point is Cap IS physically superior. Cap IS a better hand-to-hand fighter. Cap IS a better tactician. Cap HAS beaten him in the past.
Cap wins.
Uhhh... WHOOOOOOOSSSHHHHH!
Cap won. Panther ZERO.
*Keep 'em coming, man. This is the best fight on the forum.*
It's the best debate on the forum because we're both relentless and unyielding in our views. I doubt that situation will EVER change but believe it when I say I do appreciate your views and your vigilance with our deliberations. And you best believe I WILL respond in full force later -- when I've had a few drinks in me. Unlike Cap I prefer a nice single malt Scotch to Milk. ( I'm young but I do have taste. 😉 ) :: Salute. ::
in my last post i wasnt really referring to you, i meant that it happens in other topics and its funny
from JK's and grey's arguments i go with black panther, it would be a great fight to see and hopefully we will see one, although i doubt theres going to be a winner, some enemy would most likely end up interfering or something
I just went to http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm and its like Captain America....why dont i show it.
Captain America
Intelligence=level 3
Strength=level 3
speed=level 2
durability=level 3
energy protection=level 1
FIGHTING=level 7+
Black Panther
Intelligence=level 5
Strength=level 3
speed=level 2
durability=level 3
energy protection=level 3
FIGHTING=level 5