captain america was created by joe simon and jack kirby......stan lee created black panther.........
well this sure shut me up (for a moment) but what I said still stands but only switch the name of stand lee to Joe simon and Jack Kirby (I thought these guys where just writers did think they had a hand in creating Captain America).
i just wanted to state who actually created captain america, but yeah all you have to do is switch the names and it makes sense
i think hudlins opinion on who would win is just that, his opinion.....others would say cap wins
imo black panther wins, im a huge cap fan but i liked nathaniels arguements and both characters past confrontations lean me towards bp winning
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
But the man definately gets the respect he deserves. :: Salutes Cap. ::
~Capt.JK sniffles as he holds back a tear.~ bawling
Finally. Mr. Kirby wouldn't want us to fight like this. Let's just stop this madness and start a Captain America AND the Black Panther vs. Spider-Man thread. drunk
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Exactly this is the most smartest thing that has been said after reading what Hudlin wrote. Black panther tougher than Captain America(interesting choice of words). But please for crying out loud. Lets just stop the silly talk. And him being richer than Bruce Wayne. This particular subject is still subject for debate. Black panther gets rich from a cave with rare minerals (only found on wakanda by selling it to different countries all over the world. But the Wayne Enterprise has its hands in every part of the globe (ask Donald Trump: you have a multi billion dollar company what do you do?) the answer you spread like hell (and turn your multi billion dollar company into something even bigger.) See what I mean😉.(Black Panther comes from a society where scientifically is beyond Reed Richards.) NO TECHNOLOGY IS BEYOND REED RICHARDS Wakanda society more scientific than any country yes but against reed richards😕.
As for the Merit thing compared to Stand Lee Yes. Hudlin has no merit.
I do believe that the creator of Captain America is Stand Lee (Since way back when). Unfortunately for you he did not give him superpowers but he did give him peak human form and an unbreakable shield. The reason the creator is stand lee. Captain was not meet with scrutiny since as he was fighting the Nazi and first made his first appearance during I think World War 1 or World War 2. If anything else people welcome him. Anything short of a w..h..o..r..a..h would have been considered unpatriotic. And boy.... you do not what to be branded unpatriotic during those days.
The man has economical sway over the world like you wouldn't believe. He's got Wakanda's hand in every business throughout the world ( Much like Namor. ) which is what allowed him to throw the global market into chaos. He literally crippled all economic activity in the Marvel Universe with a single call. Plus you have to understand that he's the King of a country. That by DEFAULT states that he's got more money than Wayne or Stark and possibly more than them combined. They can't compete with that. Wakanda is one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world. A single persons wealth can hardly compete with a nations wealth. ( Unless you're Bill Gates. ) At a time he even bought out STARK Enterprises. I think Hudlins comment there wasn't unjustified at all.
Tougher? Yes, I'd say he is tougher. A more skilled hand to hand fight? Probably not. But that's not what Hudlin said. What's the definition of " tougher "? Here's a few.
Tough;
1 a : strong or firm in texture but flexible and not brittle.
2 : characterized by severity or uncompromising determination
3 : capable of enduring strain, hardship, or severe labor
4 : very hard to influence : STUBBORN
5 : difficult to accomplish, resolve, endure, or deal with <a tough question> <tough luck>
6 : stubbornly fought <a tough contest>
7 : UNRULY, ROWDYISH
8 : marked by absence of softness or sentimentality
Yes, Captain America fits many of those descriptions without a doubt. But after reading Black Panther -- he fits them ALL. Captain America possesses great sentimentality....unlike T'Challa. Captain America is influenced by the American Government. He basically follows their every order ( though with a grain of salt )...unlike T'Challa who follows his own mandates. Think about it for a moment. Who fits every characteristic here?
Smarter than Reed? That was going a bit far. But! He does posses greater resources than Richards which allots his research and development groups to go farther than he could. Let's face it....Reed is hindered by U.S. laws and the amount of money in his wallet. Had he the right resources no one could touch the man. But he doesn't. T'Challa isn't hindered by western philosophies and his wallet would crush Iron Man. He can pretty much do whatever it is he wishes. But yes, no one can touch Reed in over all intelligence.
I was referring to the writers after the initial creation of Captain America. I'm sure well after Joe Simons and Jack Kirby's time the character has grown and developed a bit since his days with a steel shield. ( Correct me if I'm wrong but he wasn't given the adamantium/vibranium shield until much later. ) Writers have added and subtracted a great deal of abilities and powers that he might have had. ( Ie; Superman use to just leap and not fly. And was given an " aura " to explain how his identity was hidden and so forth ) Shall we ignore all of that? No. I don't think so. Reggie Hudlin is molding Black Panther for a new generation and his views on the characters development are just as rational and solid as any other writer who's developed an established character. I think it's only fair that BP be given the same presence as other more prominent Marvel characters since he's been ignored for quite some time. It's quite a step up from characters such as " White Wash " during the 1940's. Look him up if you don't know who he is.
In conclusion....let's have Captain America and Black Panther beat down Batman. 😉
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
In conclusion....let's have Captain America and Black Panther beat down Batman. 😉
THAT would be considered a homicide.
And yes, Cap's first shield (the triangular one) was made of reinforced steel with a set of simple leather straps. The Adamantium/Vibranium shield was added many issues later. There were actually many models of the round shield. Tony Stark designed several versions:
1) A magnetic version with magnets located inside the shield and Cap's gauntlet. Cap didn't like it because he couldn't control the return.
2) An all Adamantium version, which was far stronger than his steel shield but was too light. Cap felt he couldn't control the ricochet or the bounce as well as he could a heavier version.
3) His current shield was "accidentally" developed when the Adamantium and Vibranium being used in its construction "molecularly bonded" in a way that could not be duplicated or separated. Cap accepted it and said it was the most perfect version he had ever carried.
Supposedly, you can tell when this occurred because the first round shield had a blue border on the outside, while the shield he carries now has a red border. That's the "super-shield" he still carries today.
Originally posted by Nathaniel Grey
The man has economical sway over the world like you wouldn't believe. He's got Wakanda's hand in every business throughout the world ( Much like Namor. ) which is what allowed him to throw the global market into chaos. He literally crippled all economic activity in the Marvel Universe with a single call. Plus you have to understand that he's the King of a country. That by DEFAULT states that he's got more money than Wayne or Stark and possibly more than them combined. They can't compete with that. Wakanda is one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world. A single persons wealth can hardly compete with a nations wealth. ( Unless you're Bill Gates. ) At a time he even bought out STARK Enterprises. I think Hudlins comment there wasn't unjustified at all.
See what I mean you can not just come off the bat and say that T'CHALLA has more money than batman. And turning the economical world upside down is no big deal when the world you are in is filled with people who can put the economic of the world upside down if they so wanted to. The same Tony Stark, Dr. Doom, Reed Richards can do the same thing, if you know how the economy works anybody could do it. Reed Richards is more scientific (but he can still pull off a cat in his hat).
Originally posted by lifeisaglich
See what I mean you can not just come off the bat and say that T'CHALLA has more money than batman. And turning the economical world upside down is no big deal when the world you are in is filled with people who can put the economic of the world upside down if they so wanted to. The same Tony Stark, Dr. Doom, Reed Richards can do the same thing, if you know how the economy works anybody could do it. Reed Richards is more scientific (but he can still pull off a cat in his hat).
I can because it's true. The Black Panther is head of one of the greater nations in the Marvel Universe. Wakanda is considered not only one of the most technological evolved countries in the world but also a super power in its own right. They posses vibranium -- a metal which exists NO WHERE ELSE but Wakanda. And this metal has become a resource that has ensured that Wakanda is one of the richest nations on the Marvel Universe globe. Why? Because everyone wants it and I'm sure T'Challa while he trading it out for whatever reasons isn't giving it away cheap. His monopoly on such a rare and wanted metal as well as his business savvy ways have ensured his wealth. Besides, Last time I checked the Batman wasn't able nor did he have the resources to raise massive armies or own enormous fleets. It'd be like saying that Batman was wealthier than the entire United States or United Kingdom. It's just not true. Black Panther is the head of a NATION. Wayne Enterprises though very rich cannot compete with a NATION. Nor can Tony Stark compete with a NATION. And Black Panther is Wakanda.
As for your comment about it being easy to throw the world into economic upheaval. No. It's not. THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of innocent men, women and children were sent into poverty, hunger and death when T'Challa nationalized foreign interests. How confident would you say Batman or Ironman or even Reed Richards is with doing something on that scale? Batman can't even stand to kill the Joker or any other of his enemies. I doubt he'd willing sentence thousands of innocents to their death to deal with insurgents taking over his " country ". And Reed Richards for all his intelligence would never willingly cause the suffering of billions of people including those of his own to regain control. Black Panther did without batting an eyelash. ' Nuff said.
Attacking my post through morality was very clever. But the fact still remains that they can still do it. They can still throw the world economic into despair. If the only way to save people is to down the economy then they will do it. That is if push comes to shove. (Needs of the many out weights the needs of the few.) this is what their decision is going to based on. Dr. Doom well he downs the economy faster than it takes T'challa to pick up his phone and make that one call.
And by the way Drug lords with their first millions can raise armies without even trying. Ask for batman raising fleets why would he need too (When the people he trains can go up against the most elite of elite swat teams in the world and still show them how to do their work?
Need I remind you Wayne enterprises has a hand in every
nuke-and-crany in the business world a multi billion business Enterprise growing because of the new offices that they open, business that they save, contracts made, merging with other multi billion or million companies . buying out smaller companies but (just that you know Bruce Wayne does not like buying out companies he is the kind of person who would leave the company he just bought to the original owner)(in order words they are all over the place around the globe) (is this not what multi billion corporations do or I'm I wrong? If I am wrong then please tell me what they really do) So you see we cannot make judgement for it is still subject for debate.
T'CHALLA is head of a nation with the rarest of rare martial, I see where you are coming from and the logic behind it. (But anybody with such a rare commodity and does not take advantage of the situation does not deserve to have such a price right?😉
I just needed to reply to this but lets not get carried a way here THIS IS A CAPTAIN AMERICA AND BLACK PANTHER NOT batman and black panther.
"Batman can't even stand to kill the Joker or any other of his enemies. I doubt he'd willing sentence thousands of innocents to their death to deal with insurgents taking over his " country ". And Reed Richards for all his intelligence would never willingly cause the suffering of billions of people including those of his own to regain control. Black Panther did without batting an eyelash. ' Nuff said"
Yep...in this field only Doom can compete...he and BP are very alike and bittersweet friends...
Originally posted by Wynndar
"Batman can't even stand to kill the Joker or any other of his enemies. I doubt he'd willing sentence thousands of innocents to their death to deal with insurgents taking over his " country ". And Reed Richards for all his intelligence would never willingly cause the suffering of billions of people including those of his own to regain control. Black Panther did without batting an eyelash. ' Nuff said"Yep...in this field only Doom can compete...he and BP are very alike and bittersweet friends...
Which makes BP a villain, it sounds like. Which is just one more reason Cap would win. Anyone who thinks that someone with such a vague morality as Panther would or could EVER hope to EVER defeat Captain America, the "Sentinel of Liberty", "Living Symbol of Freedom", is crazy.
Cap wins. Again.