Linkalicious> 😆
Yes, the reindeer. The flying reindeer!
Morningstar> No, BF is right. What’s the difference between a church and a nut-house? In both places you find people believing in stuff that doesn’t exist. People in a Church talk to imaginary people – God, Jesus, Mary, saints. None of them live today, and none have been proven to’ve ever existed!
If God exists and is everywhere – then: WHERE?
BF> EXCELLENT post! Great logic! Pure gold! 😄
Jury> So God himself has told you, you’re one of his chosen? How do you know you’re not just hearing… stuff?
Queeq> So if the bad things that happen in the world is NOT God’s doing then he just sits idly by and LET them happen? Aren’t we supposed to be god’s CHILDREN? Shouldn’t he take better care of his children?
Give me some proof of God’s existence. Not something imaginary, because then I might as well start believing aliens kidnap people, cows and make circles in crop-fields.
Who’re YOU to say which parts of the Bible should be taken literal and which shouldn’t? How’s any Christian supposed to know that. One should think that God would’ve chosen some good minds to right down his words, so there wouldn’t be any reason for misinterpretations.
Isiah 40:22 mentions a circle. Even the Greeks had ideas of an Earth shaped like a big flat cylinder, so the flat earth was formed LIKE a circle. But not round.
SO … we can conclude the Bible does NOT say the Earth is round. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just SAY “The Earth is round”?
WindDancer> Yep, that would do it.
Yerssot> Yep, that’s me saying that: You can’t prove the non-existence of a thing.
Originally posted by The OmegaQueeq> So if the bad things that happen in the world is NOT God’s doing then he just sits idly by and LET them happen? Aren’t we supposed to be god’s CHILDREN? Shouldn’t he take better care of his children?
Give me some proof of God’s existence. Not something imaginary, because then I might as well start believing aliens kidnap people, cows and make circles in crop-fields.
Is hard to say what does God does. But I think is better if humans would stop doing bad things in the first place. Maybe (just MAYBE) if we start to do better things for humanity God might appear and say "I'm proud of you guys". Until then he prolly is just staring at us in disgust! Maybe God's is saying...."Why did I created them? They are just a shame"
WindDancer> “Is hard to say what does God does.”
Why can that be? An omnipotent, omnipresent being can’t be THAT hard to notice.
“But I think is better if humans would stop doing bad things in the first place.”
Well – God has the power to prevent the bad things from happening. He could start by removing poverty and disease. And God created us – according to Christians – we are his children. So why not simply intervene, instead of letting people die of starvation, disease, violence and war – innocent people even.
“Maybe (just MAYBE) if we start to do better things for humanity God might appear and say "I'm proud of you guys".”
Why must all do that? What about the people who do the best they can? Like the humanitarian organisations, Red Cross, doctors without boundaries etc.? We’re children in Gods eyes. I wouldn’t let my children play with deadly tools. God lets his children play with nuclear bombs.
“Until then he prolly is just staring at us in disgust!” What an uncaring parent he is, huh? We must all take the blame for what others do. Well, Canaan took the blame for Ham, so the justice system there is warped anyways.
“Maybe God's is saying...."Why did I created them? They are just a shame”.”
Well, he killed everyone once before – the flood. Why didn’t he make us good?
Originally posted by The Omega
WindDancer>
Why can that be? An omnipotent, omnipresent being can’t be THAT hard to notice.
That's a bunch of Theological discussion.....It's going to be a long day if we start discussion like that. Because once the Theological discussions are settle, then comes the philosophical ones. Oye!
Originally posted by The Omega
Well – God has the power to prevent the bad things from happening. He could start by removing poverty and disease. And God created us – according to Christians – we are his children. So why not simply intervene, instead of letting people die of starvation, disease, violence and war – innocent people even.
Yeah, God does have the power to stop the bad things from happening. So do we! I think that's one of God's little plans for humanity. To test us, to see if we are capable helping others like WE are suppose to do. Isn't one of life's greatess achievements to help others in need? Shouldn't we as humans try to stop war, famine, murder, and other bad stuff from happening to someone else?
Originally posted by The Omega
Why must all do that? What about the people who do the best they can? Like the humanitarian organisations, Red Cross, doctors without boundaries etc.? We’re children in Gods eyes. I wouldn’t let my children play with deadly tools. God lets his children play with nuclear bombs.
That's great! That's exactly what we should do for others that need help. Unfortunally not everyone contributes. We should motive others to help in cause for a better tomorrow.
Originally posted by The Omega
What an uncaring parent he is, huh? We must all take the blame for what others do. Well, Canaan took the blame for Ham, so the justice system there is warped anyways.
Uncaring or a Tough parent to all his/her children? Who knows maybe we need to have discipline.....yeah! that would also help keep us in order.
Originally posted by The Omega
Well, he killed everyone once before – the flood. Why didn’t he make us good?
Not everybody died (I think Noah.....nah! nevermind you don't believe in all that Ark stuff. So I won't bother you with it). I think God made the flood happen to punish the world for the evil they were making back then. Unfortunally we didn't learn anything from that. We still make a mess of our world. From what I understand God made a treaty with humans about NEVER destroying the Earth again. As long as we behave and treat each other with care and love we will be okay.
I think allowing your children to be raped, murdered, tortured and burned constitutes something a bit worse then just "tough parenting". That's called BAD parenting, and humans get thrown in prison for allowing such things to happen to their children. But, oh wait, if God does them then he's not to blame, he's not at fault for allowing these things to happen to his children. If a human parent is accountable for when their kids get hit by a car, then perhaps people should consider god responsible when his children get raped, murdered, beaten and tortured by other naughty children.
Also, does the bible not say that we are created in Gods image? Think about this, if we are created in gods image, then what the hell does that say about God?
Originally posted by BackFire
Also, does the bible not say that we are created in Gods image? Think about this, if we are created in gods image, then what the hell does that say about God?
Pre fall: The quote is from genesis so man was still innocent. However its wrong to suppose a simple/literal interpretation: It also means the flesh and the soul in one entity - spirit and flesh mirroring the divine trinity.
Originally posted by BackFire
Ah, but not our behavior? How convinient.
Much of the bible is very inconsistent and self contradictory - but in this case that's moot: It's hard to be literal about something so vague.
Yet another interpretation on this is that it refers to our ability to think and be self-aware.
In any case - even if it were about morality, as I said the quote is from genesis - i think - in any case it's pre-fall-from-grace and so "our" Innocence and morality was without question. the flaws in human nature you refer to came later after the whole tree/fig/serpent debacle.
But the whole Bible is very very vague. So how can any of it be taken literally. I have no problem with people who feel one way or another about it, what gets me is when someone thinks one part should be taken literally, and another part shouldn't be. As if they change their minds on a wimb to simply help themselves out in an argument. Something as inconsistant and self contradictory shouldn't be so hugely and blindly believed in, in my opinion.