ME> ”How do you KNOW the Bible is the truth? Because God personally told you so?”
FE> ”Yes, he will lead you & direct you, i have answered you that.”
How is THAT answering me question? I’m asking you how you know the Bible is the truth, and you’re talking about leading and direction?
Me>” How do you REALLY know it IS the word of God?”
FE> ”cuz he tells you.”
He’s not telling ME anything. You’re dodging the question – again.
Me>” So when Abraham married his sister with God’s blessing, God blessed an incestuous marriage and that is not wrong?”
FE> ”where r u getting this at? when he told the King it was HIS sister?”
I’m getting ”this” in your precious Bible. You should read it some time. And, NO, Gen.17:15-16 here Abraham marries his sister and God blesses the marriage – so does God approve of incestuous marriages? Do you?
Me>” You’re good at imagining stuff – so TRY to imagine that homosexuality is NOT a choice. Would it then be a sin?”
FE>”Yes it would be cuz the Bible says so.”
So even if homosexuality is NOT a choice – and God has made homosexuals as they are – they may never love cuz the Bible says so. The Bible also says that Lot, who in Gen.19:8 offers his two virgin daughters to a crowd of angel rapers and later(19:30-38) impregnates them, was a "righteous man." 2:8 . So incest is okay? Cuz the Bible says so?
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
So Jesus says – so do you hate your family?
WD> ” And is not about fearing death and hoping God will rescue me. Is about the mysteries of the death that keep me wondering......what does happen to our minds after we die? Do they really stop working? like some clock?”
Oh, the quintessential question. What happens when we die? We’ll find out – one day…
Seriously – Maybe we’re not as far apart as may initially seem. I love science because it is like detective work – about everything that’s in existence, physical objects, the Universe, space and time and so on. You seem fascinated by philosophy because it – too is a detective work into the human mind.
“I'm glad that's the case. I'm glad that science is putting the pieces together. And as long as scientist do it for the sake of academic discoveries they have my full support. But if their knowledge is used to harm humanity and not help it, I will defenetly opposed it! No matter how great the discovery might be.”
Unfortunately that is not always the case. What military-scientists do in hidden labs may ultimately be our undoing. But many discoveries can be used to either help or harm – such as was the case with splitting the atom. You have nuclear fuel and nuclear-bombs.
” What can I say? I'm a sucker for philosophical ideas. Your views are absolute, you have the facts from Science to back you up. I on the other hand have to rely on what I've learn from philosophy. Which btw-is a brainbuster of the mind. Ouch!”
True. As I said earlier – I don’t really think ”Nature” knew what it was doing when we evolved our self-conscience. To some the mind-boggling questions indicate the existence of a divine being, hidden somewhere in unsolved mysteries of the mind and unanswered questions of human existence. I think I can see where you’re coming from now, with your previous talk of mythology, religious texts and earlier human attempts at interpreting the “mind-boggling questions.” To me it’s just the human mind trying to wrap itself around it’s own “brilliance” in a way… If that made any sense.
And to me that is far more intriguing if there was a “God”.
Mr. Snuggles> Well, Jesus said “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Originally posted by The Omega
WD> Oh, the quintessential question. What happens when we die? We’ll find out – one day…
Seriously – Maybe we’re not as far apart as may initially seem. I love science because it is like detective work – about everything that’s in existence, physical objects, the Universe, space and time and so on. You seem fascinated by philosophy because it – too is a detective work into the human mind.
I sincerely hope so. I don't want to be left without answers during my existence. I feel that we are in age of advancing science and technology. But for me even in this age of fast pace mechanics, I still feel the need for philosophy. Sometimes I wish my thoughts had more scientific knowledge. But my science is limited. Unlike my philosophical thinking which I hate to brag, but is quite extensive. 😊 Your comment on scientist and philosphers being like detectives is not too far from the truth. I guess that Makes archeologist forensics. 😉
Originally posted by The Omega
Unfortunately that is not always the case. What military-scientists do in hidden labs may ultimately be our undoing. But many discoveries can be used to either help or harm – such as was the case with splitting the atom. You have nuclear fuel and nuclear-bombs.
That is very unfortunate. But I trust the Scientific Community to ensure that those projects are handle properly. I know I misjudge scientist in the past, but at the same time they deserve recognizition for their extensive work. Besides, I support nuclear disarmed (sp?). There is nothing worse in our world than the treat of nuclear warfare. Even thought there are policies to stop nuclear nukes from being made. I wish the darn things wouldn't had been made in the first place. But again, there was nothing that could had prevented that from happening. Let's just leave it at that.
Originally posted by The Omega
True. As I said earlier – I don’t really think ”Nature” knew what it was doing when we evolved our self-conscience. To some the mind-boggling questions indicate the existence of a divine being, hidden somewhere in unsolved mysteries of the mind and unanswered questions of human existence. I think I can see where you’re coming from now, with your previous talk of mythology, religious texts and earlier human attempts at interpreting the “mind-boggling questions.” To me it’s just the human mind trying to wrap itself around it’s own “brilliance” in a way… If that made any sense.
And to me that is far more intriguing if there was a “God”.
You do see where I come from? 😑 This may sound strange but not even my colleagues know where I come from with my ideas. But I could honestly say that most of my thinking is the product of years of reading lot's and lot's of subjects about the mind. Which I'm kinda ashame to say I forgetten some of them.
Yes, I do try to connect God and the Human mind as one. But believe me I'm not saying that is the truth only a posibility or even a theory. Up to this point my only logical reasons come from a combination of Theology, Philosophy, and Mythology. If I were to include more Science and Psychology, I'm sure I could come out with something more reasonable than ideological. I'll keep trying 😉
btw-What do you thought of the article? Have you read it? I'll be posting the second article pretty soon. So please stay tuned for the thrilling conclusion! 😉
Sorry for the double post, but I have to say this:
Originally posted by Mr.Snuggles
you blow things way outta perportion ... visit a church where people play perthetically, speak in tougnes(the language of angels), and fall over{quite literally] in the holy spirit.
No one is blowing anything outta proportion. I'm sorry, but if you aren't contributing to the debate please re-think before you post. We are trying to have a normal discussion here without any nonsense. So please just be considerated. Thank you.
WD
WD> “You do see where I come from?”
I think so, yes. Lets assume humankind hasn’t changed it’s conscience over the past couple of tens of thousands of years. Then obviously in the past “God” or “spirituality” must’ve played a larger role in our lives. One could hypothesise that there is truth in myths if one were capable of reading them in the correct “light” so to speak – the hypothesis is however based on the assumption that there IS a higher being of SOME kind.
Whatever “truths” our ancestors sought were more than today coloured by a stringent belief – hence the countless religious texts and books. (I hope I’m making sense).
“If I were to include more Science and Psychology, I'm sure I could come out with something more reasonable than ideological. I'll keep trying.”
One should keep an open mind. Is your mind open to the possibility of there BEING no divine being.
Yes, I skimmed the article. My problem with it is its foundation of premises. To me it looks like its written by religious people! People who BELIEVE there ARE sacred artefacts. Artefacts from history are indeed there in the sands of Egypt and Iraq. But to call them sacred is loaded. Science MUST keep an open mind and not be preoccupied with a search for what one HOPES to find, but simply look for what is there.
By now it should be a little of both (fact and fiction), since man was supposed to have tampered with it for these many years its been around. Its really supposed to be about not fearing death of the body but of the soul, which means you dont take your own life, but you are expected to sit and let someone else take your life if thats what they intend. Jesus set those extreme examples such as giving the shirt off his back to a poverty stricken man, or letting people beat on him. He doesnt mean for us to follow them verbatim, but to understand that you are supposed to realise that people (even though they are bad) are supposed to be loved as well. At least in my opinion that is the most important aspect of the bible.
Originally posted by The Omega
I could also visit a lunatic asylum for the same experience.
🙂 Kinda lost in the thread right now lol been gone whoever you're sadly mistaken for that comment right there Omega, and you shld see and here it first hand before saying you could experience same thing at lunatice asylyum...very poor remark on your part. 🙁
Originally posted by The Omega
Mr. Snuggles> Well, Jesus said “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”So unless you hate your mum and dad you can't be a disciple of Jesus.
It's talking about putting God first in your life, and all other things will follow.
FE> Accually I feel that TO's comment was quite appropriate.
If anyone does anything like you've described (falling over and talking in myserious tounges) out side of a church, their mental heath would be challenged, and if it happened more than once, they would probably be commited! But if you do it in a church, all of a sudden your channeling "god" and Boom your holy? Whats the difference? Or all the Insane people channeling "god" and holy?
Originally posted by Tptmanno1
FE> Accually I feel that TO's comment was quite appropriate.
If anyone does anything like you've described (falling over and talking in myserious tounges) out side of a church, their mental heath would be challenged, and if it happened more than once, they would probably be commited! But if you do it in a church, all of a sudden your channeling "god" and Boom your holy? Whats the difference? Or all the Insane people channeling "god" and holy?
We were talking about it happening in a church, not outside a church.
Then you misunderstood her.
She compared The speaking in tounges thing to insane ppl because they do the same thing except not in a church. You can't argue that. Thats basicly proveable. It would take money and effort, but yes I could prove that.
Why does being in a church separate Godlyness from insanity?