The Bible

Originally posted by Morningstar
Dude, if u could be bothered, find a Bible and look in the OT, Genesis, chpt 2, verse 15-18. God told man not to eat the fruit and yet they did. Downfall on our part for being gulible and believing Satan.

I seem to remember a certain book that calls us God's children...

Do you have a child? Have you ever told him not to touch something? Ok, after you told him not to touch it, did he do it anyway?

If something is within reach, and curiosity is present(curiosity stems from being told NOT to do things), then the person will touch it! The solution is simple, take the forbidden thing out of reach.

Something God obviously didn't understand.

Another thing, if he saw that Adam and Eve were disobedient, why didn't he just kill them and start over? It certainly should be within his power, and God has no respect for his own rules(the flood, sodom and gommorah, several other counts of genocide), so don't tell me, "because killing would be wrong!11one!1"

Perhaps it was all part of some bigger plan, I remember in scripture how it was described that God knew everything that was, and was going to be..... which logically means he knew that man was going to fall......

Ok, he knew we were going to fall, and then PUNISHES us when we do? When it's his fault in the first place?? Great logic. God sounds like an a$$hole.

I never said it was logical, only logical conclusions can be drawn from it. It makes no sense to me, but then I imagine if one believes in a religion part of it seems to be not understanding the motivation of the God it represents.....

That is the consensus in the Iliad with the pagan deities, that they cause men to fall and then relish punishing them for it!

Woaw! That’s always a good plan-B. “God has a greater plan.” Sounds like he didn’t really know what he did…

*imagines god looking like George Lucas*
he probably says the same stuff like:

"I definitly didn't know what I was doing, I just did it out of the seat of my pants"

😐

Originally posted by yerssot
*imagines god looking like George Lucas*
he probably says the same stuff like:

"I definitly didn't know what I was doing, I just did it out of the seat of my pants"

😐

George Lucas is a snazzier dresser. God is still stuck in the white flowing robes look. So Roman of him.

I think white flowing robes are on the come back, they are just one of those ageless things.

What if god looks like Yoda?

Hhahah, that would be interesting. Just imagine if he spoke like him to, it would make quoting the bible interesting.

More fun, for sure.

Kill, thou shalt not.

I think it is both?..... well.. fiction based on fact.... and some things naturally could be exadurated.... or maybe could have happened... even the amazing stuff.....

i think it is more of an.... advanced piece of social engineering.......

IE: follow these rules.... and your race(human you schmuk) should populate..... and prosper.... not over populate.... not make the gene pool stagnant.. by spreading one persons DNA around too much.....

be humble enough to not cause too much ecological damage....

dunno.... i have a lot of wierd theories on all that stuff.............
some of them are out there...... some friends think there either gienus... or completely absurd.......

Originally posted by odin
I think it is both?..... well.. fiction based on fact.... and some things naturally could be exadurated.... or maybe could have happened... even the amazing stuff.....

i think it is more of an.... advanced piece of social engineering.......

IE: follow these rules.... and your race(human you schmuk) should populate..... and prosper.... not over populate.... not make the gene pool stagnant.. by spreading one persons DNA around too much.....

be humble enough to not cause too much ecological damage....

dunno.... i have a lot of wierd theories on all that stuff.............
some of them are out there...... some friends think there either gienus... or completely absurd.......

The Bible is composed of several books...some could be fictional, others can be historic, and a few could be fact. I tend to see the books of the Old Testament as briefly historic (the Israel tribes) While the New Testament books I see them as JC Biography.....all except Revelations.

what parts of the OT do you see as historic then?

Well, the 12 tribes of Israel have always interest me. How did thousands of people suddenly migrated from one geographical point to another? That's what I was thinking about Historic moments. I also think that King Solomon the wise did meet Shiva in the temple. I'm sure there are records of the two meeting and feasting together. So I think that the history is a little clouded there. I gotta check my books twice....but I feel that there were some historic moments during the time of the OT.

what about abraham or the garden of eden as it is in the bible?

I always took the Garden of Eden to be a metaphor for humanity. As for Abraham I really think he did existed. I'm not 100% correct on this but I think Abraham is the real reason why Islam was founded.

[edit note] No offense to any Islam followers with my comment above. I also do recognize Ishmael as a founder of Islam.

Ishamael was son of Abraham.... Abraham had a son with a slave woman before his child with Sarah.

Christians and Jews trace their faith through Isaac

Islam through Ismael

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I seem to remember a certain book that calls us God's children...

Do you have a child? Have you ever told him not to touch something? Ok, after you told him not to touch it, did he do it anyway?

If something is within reach, and curiosity is present(curiosity stems from being told NOT to do things), then the person will touch it! The solution is simple, take the forbidden thing out of reach.

Something God obviously didn't understand.

Another thing, if he saw that Adam and Eve were disobedient, why didn't he just kill them and start over? It certainly should be within his power, and God has no respect for his own rules(the flood, sodom and gommorah, several other counts of genocide), so don't tell me, "because killing would be wrong!11one!1"

Do you think that this idea that they're children who should be avoiding the tree will ever go away? In comparison with being the ultimate metaphor?

Curiosity kills the cat?

I wonder whether you would try and build the universe without the free will to do evil. Humans have free choice or they're not Humans (you'd be an automaton.) If you didn't have curiosity, then free will wouldn't be much use (sort of like a lamp without a power source). You need a spark.

Because there wouldn't be much point in a relatively omniscient God retrying an experiment. If God couldn't get the result he wanted, then retrying wouldn't do a thing. It's not like we could comprehend the exact details of a plan composed by him, but we can see what's happened. A (sixth?) of the world by free will giving him what God wants, which is love. Not exactly a bad result.