The Bible

Originally posted by Morningstar
You know what Omega? You’re right – you are completely right. The Bible isn’t 100% fact, and you know why? Because it has some contradictions and disagreements of people/places/names/numbers etc. And do you know why there are some parts of the Bible that contradict each other? Like whether Jesus appeared to 10,11 or 12 disciples after his resurrection? Because it was written by humans. Yes, that’s right – it was written by people like us (well ‘us’ would, by dictionary meaning, incorporate u and me, which would be totally wrong in this sense but you get the generally jist.) It was written by Christian believes – like Ytaker, Fiery Eyes, Lianslo, Nijaturtle or myself . . . . . and because it was written by humans, its not perfect. You know why? Because we aren’t perfect, none of us. I have never heard of anyone, throughout the whole of history, that has been perfect, except for Jesus. And because we are not perfect, we all make mistakes. And in the Bible? You know what? It probably has a few mistakes too, because it was written by humans – people who were not perfect.
So there you go Omega. You’re totally right, the Bible cannot be 100% true.

"11) Read Galatians 5:19-21 and tell me dancing is NOT a sin. Then read Exodus 15:20-21 and tell me that dancing IS a sin.
Which is it?"

ok well i have a bible open sitting next to me, and, just for the record, in Exodus 15:20-21, Miriam (a prophet) played on her tambourine and danced with some other women. They were dancing and singing praises to the Lord.
In Galations 5:19-21, 😕 it says nothing about dancing. Here, it says:
'(19) People's desires make them give in to immoral ways, filthy thoughts, and shameful deeds. (20) They worship idols, practice witchcraft, hate others, and are hard to get along with. People become jelaous, angry, and selfish. They not only argue and cause trouble, but they are (21) envious. They get drunk, carry on at wild parties, and do other evil things as well. I told you before, and i am telling you again: No one who does these things will share in the blessings of God's kingdom.'
😕 says nothing about dancing *shrugs*

what i've been saying for quite a while now 💃

Originally posted by The Omega
Kontraz> “and the holy spirit isn't exactly "hearing voices in your head". Think of it more as one's conscience.”

Well then… My add the extra assumption that it’s divine? Christians do not have monopoly on conscience. It’s conscience. End of that story.

“just a side note, something i find very funny is that most people who like the matrix, hate christianity.... odd, seeing as the matrix is religious... (not to start a debate, just a random observation).”

Ohhh, pooor you. Are you being hated? Why is it that extremist Christians always claim to be these poor prosecuted people, when they, themselves, are busy prosecuting people who have abortions and homosexuals???
The Matrix has borrowed from everything from Anime to religionS! Note the “S” there, plural. The Matrix is not a Christian movie, sorry to disappoint you.

Morningstar> “You know what Omega? You’re right – you are completely right. The Bible isn’t 100% fact…”
Fine, then that’s settled.
I WAS talking to Elastigirl, but she seems to’ve vanished.

conscience being a divine pressense.... that's where faith comes in, buddy... kinda hard to believe anything without faith. You might not have faith that a chair can support your weight, so you are hesitant to sit in it. But if you finally come around to actually sitting in it, and find that it does, in fact, support you, you might realize that the fact of the matter had nothing to do with your faith/believes. You believed wrong (and everyone has the right to, and it is virtually impossible to convince someone that any faith is the right one beyond doubt), but despite your incorrect believes, reality still overruled.

Now, about the matrix (dammit, didnt i say i DIDNT want to start a discussion about this???), yes, i agree that it drew from many sources, but from what ive read/seen/heard, it drew most of its content/symbolism/story basing from the bible. That's also why its been banned from many middle eastern countries. Note: Im talking about THE MATRIX, not the sequals.

about persecution.... umm... where the hell did you come up with persecution from anything that i wrote. I said a good deal of people that love the matrix hate christianity. I said nothing about people being persecuted, nor individuals. Nor have i EVER persecuted anyone for anything (intentionally, i might have done so unknowingly, as pretty much looking at someone the wrong way could be considered persecution in this confused society). So please, if i came off to you as claiming to have been persecuted in any way, i apologize for your misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Kontraz
what i've been saying for quite a while now 💃

so you have this almight god that always people worship and say he can't do anything wrong, but yet he DOES allow people to produce errors in a book that has as sole purpose portray his greatness

yerssot but let's for a minute assume that that particular God allows people to produce errors....wouldn't that fall under the categorie of Free -Will? Just an observation NOT making a statement.

yes, it does...

yerssot but let's for a minute assume that that particular God allows people to produce errors....wouldn't that fall under the categorie of Free -Will?

It was interesting, recently here in Australia we had the whole "Top 100 Books" thing, with voting and celebrities and so forth. Coming in at number three was the Bible, which seems to have surprised many people. However, an analyser of this said, regardless of whether God exists of not, and whether the story is true or not, the Bible remains a relevant book, that is to a degree unique and possesses a good story that is well written. Relevant as while a person may not believe in the theological aspects, it still retains core values that are so important in many societies today. And also, it is possible, however doubtful, that it may in fact be completely true, however it is impossible for it to be completely false.

that is just the faithful`s way of trying to explain away flaws that pops up about this this god of theirs.

Originally posted by WindDancer
yerssot but let's for a minute assume that that particular God allows people to produce errors....wouldn't that fall under the categorie of Free -Will? Just an observation NOT making a statement.

even IF there is a god and IF he allows free will, it would still make a stupid decision:

so you got this book that's supposed to explain how people have to behave themselves in order to go to heaven and that god allows there to be errors in it "cause humans write it"... I thought that god was supposed to be about loving and caring and not pushing someone deeper in the shit, cause that's what he's doing then: making sure no one can get it right due to errors

Originally posted by yerssot
I thought that god was supposed to be about loving and caring and not pushing someone deeper in the shit, cause that's what he's doing then: making sure no one can get it right due to errors

I think JC does ask his followers to love and treat each other as brothers and sisters. Don't see what's so complicated about that.

and you get that from a book that's full of flaws cause humans wrote it 🙄

I get the message not the flaws.

no, you got a message, which you hope is right. How do you know what the message is if it's a book full with flaws cause humans wrote it?

It could be, I'm not saying is not. Of course I'm aware of the flaws. And I'm not disputing the flaws. Basically all I'm saying is the message of peace and love towards each other appeals to me. Many times I have said I'm not a Christian, but the message of JC appeals to me. I don't know if he existed or not, but I do like what he says in the NT about peace.

It's unfortunate that the message of "peace and love and good will towards man" often gets lost in the ooga booga scare tactics of "if you don't believe in this book you are destined to burn for all eternity because of it by a god who supposedly loves you."

Originally posted by WindDancer
It could be, I'm not saying is not. Of course I'm aware of the flaws. And I'm not disputing the flaws. Basically all I'm saying is the message of peace and love towards each other appeals to me. Many times I have said I'm not a Christian, but the message of JC appeals to me. I don't know if he existed or not, but I do like what he says in the NT about peace.

but besides some parts that shouldn't be taken litteral and others that are flawed cause humans wrote it, how do YOU know what is it all exactly?

Originally posted by yerssot
YOU are the one claiming that is the message, ... that god and his people sure did quite some monstrocities to keep claiming they are pro-love and pro-peace...
YOU are claiming you know the message of JC too...

but besides some parts that shouldn't be taken litteral and others that are flawed cause humans wrote it, how do YOU know what is it all exactly?

To me the message of peace and love that JC supposly said is what matters. I don't know if he turn water into wine or walk on the sea during a storm, that stuff I don't know if it really happen. What I do understand is that JC was a man who went around preaching about love and peace. I don't know if he has a kingdom up somewhere in the sky and I'm not interested. What I'm interested is in his ideas of love and peace. If JC said or not or if it was written by a human with flaws is not my interested.

you claim that the message of JC is peace and love
but on the other hand you claim that your ONLY source to get it from is full of human flaws ...

something's not entirely right here, and anyone can see that...

Tell me then what other things did JC preach?

to kill as much romans as you could? or is that conviniently left out of the story?

I don't give a damn what a fairy-tale creature "preached" in his "life"