Originally posted by Drache53
Oh dear God, once again with this crap, this is the 4th time today I've read the same post by this idiot! This has no friggin bearing to what people were talking about. You're pathetic, I swear. But anyway, somebody fill me in, I've been wondering what's going on with Venom for the past 4 years. I hear he got the power cosmic? How'd that work out? And Carnage, whatever happened to him? Please fill me in.
Drache, Venom does not have any type of cosmic powers. In fact he was recently implied to have cut his wrists in Marvel Knights, his survival is currently unknown and symbiote #1 [the original] is now being worn by Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion. Who is now in custody, if memory serves.
616 Carnage was recently "killed" by Bendis in Nude Avengers, may he rot in Hell. Bendis, that is.
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Originally posted by Drache53
Oh dear God, once again with this crap, this is the 4th time today I've read the same post by this idiot! This has no friggin bearing to what people were talking about. You're pathetic, I swear. But anyway, somebody fill me in, I've been wondering what's going on with Venom for the past 4 years. I hear he got the power cosmic? How'd that work out? And Carnage, whatever happened to him? Please fill me in.
Originally posted by Symbiotica
If memory serves, the nanobots/aliens were split on whether or not to obliterate mankind; some of them wanted to use symbiotes to destroy all life on earth and then "terraform" it or whatever ["Bob" and his army of female clones], and some of them wanted to stop them from doing that [the Suit].The "bad" aliens were the ones funding the research into cloning Venom's tongue? I'm rusty on all this. 😈 As such the clone symbiote was a biological weapon, the first of many the nanobot/aliens were planning. This is an old premise; IIRC it was used by the original writers of the "Alien" film, that the eggs on the Derelict on LV-426 were actually biological weapons that got out of hand and destroyed their handlers [as seen by the greatest sci-fi tease of all time, the "Space Jockey" the crew of the Nostromo found welded to his chair, with his chest blown out. And where was the rest of the crew? We never found out.]
I miss that series, I really do. It had many great moments, and the symbiote jumping from host to host [no matter how improbable the host!] was hilarious. I'd even put up with looking at Wolverine again, if we could only get it back. It was instrumental in getting me seriously interested in symbiosis, and interested in Venom in general.
Im my opinion the symbiotes have as much potential as the xenomporphs in being able to hold our attention long-term. These are extremely interesting life-forms we know almost nothing about. PLus their interactions with the host add more interest. The xenomorphs kill their hosts - the symbiotes interact with them on a long-term basis. They have differing effects. Fleshing that out would lead to endless hours of fun for everyone onscreen.
But in reference to the article above, I don't see the symbiotes as being involved with space-exploration any more than I do xenomorphs. Nothing that nasty, that hostile is interested in helping its handlers out or cooperating in any endeavor whatsoever! Use as weapons makes a lot more logical sense IMO... and even then, they can barely be controlled.
Then you're of the opinion that symbiotes are parasitic rather truly mutualisitc/'symbiotic'?
Do suppose that the original symbiote was also intended as a biological weapon?
I don't think the symbiotes could actually kill every human on the planet without replicating out of control (which would require technological aid) or infiltrating a nuclear silo (more likely). Following your logic, I'm going to think that the symbiote(s) are/were intended to "soften" up or distract humanity while the bad spider robots unleashed something worse.
Or maybe as I said before, The Suit is lying, and therefore Bob might be the good one. So he created the Venom clone and the cloned sleeper duos to counter whatever The Suit was planning.
Originally posted by Symbiotica
Drache, Venom does not have any type of cosmic powers. In fact he was recently implied to have cut his wrists in Marvel Knights, his survival is currently unknown and symbiote #1 [the original] is now being worn by Mac Gargan, the former Scorpion. Who is now in custody, if memory serves.616 Carnage was recently "killed" by Bendis in Nude Avengers, may he rot in Hell. Bendis, that is.
Eddie Brock slitting his writsts won't stop Venom.
Originally posted by The Vile#1
What in the flaming Hell are you on about?! Are you insane? I am honestly beginning to wonder.You've just handed me a very big stick to beat you with, should I have chosen to use it. I'm not going to do that, but I could. Others here will use it without compunction if they get the chance. Huge mistake on your part.
[sigh] I can see I've really struck a nerve here....
Listen up, bub: I suggest growing a thicker skin OR keeping your business to yourself, or you're doomed out here. Doomed.
Well, maybe I'll beat you a little with that stick you handed me. This is thinking that is going to lead you to a life of misery.
am sorry if that hurts your feelings
I totally think you're on another planet from almost everyone in this thread. You do not have a single clue what we're telling you. I give up. Hopeless. You are so clueless that you fail to grasp that I have yet to "attack" you. Geez Louise... enough already.
Actually, '05er, the people here know what the hell they are talking about.
Where do you get the idea that you struck a nerve of Symbiotica's? What she said made perfect sense and is just another interesting viewpoint about the symbiotes.
(Double-post apology.)
Originally posted by The Vile#1
What in the flaming Hell are you on about?! Are you insane? I am honestly beginning to wonder.You've just handed me a very big stick to beat you with, should I have chosen to use it. I'm not going to do that, but I could. Others here will use it without compunction if they get the chance. Huge mistake on your part.
[sigh] I can see I've really struck a nerve here....
Listen up, bub: I suggest growing a thicker skin OR keeping your business to yourself, or you're doomed out here. Doomed.
Well, maybe I'll beat you a little with that stick you handed me. This is thinking that is going to lead you to a life of misery.
am sorry if that hurts your feelings
I totally think you're on another planet from almost everyone in this thread. You do not have a single clue what we're telling you. I give up. Hopeless. You are so clueless that you fail to grasp that I have yet to "attack" you. Geez Louise... enough already.
Depends on who's writing it / which version.
Strength-wise I read that Venom's in the 11-12 ton range...
Carnage (the 1st of Venom's many children) is said to be stronger (maybe 12-13 ton range?) though, as a psycho, he may just be using all of his strength.
Toxin (Carnage's kid) beat the crap out of Carnage, though it may be because Carnage had just given birth rather than him being of superior strength... (though later he is able to beat back both Venom AND Carnage with minimal help from Black Cat and a wounded Spider-man)
Venom's Extreme Comic Feats
(Keep in mind that these are not always considered logical, especially not in the versus forum.)
1) A thrice insane Venom with the Madness virus can trade shots with Juggernaut.
2) Though vulnerable to fire he took on both Ghostrider and Vengeance and was only a little the worse for wear.
3) Way's Venom-clone and Wolverine could take a nuke. 😛
4) If the MK Scorpion-Venom 😘 is your bag, then with Gargan, who already had superstrength, as a host then the MK-version would be more in the 30 ton range.
Venom has 6 symbiote spawn: Carnage and the 5 life foundation symbiotes. Plus he has a clone.
Next time you have a question, please check the previous posts in this thread or search the forum. These questions have all been answered before.
The Venom clone was featured in the 2003 Venom title. Cloned from a piece of Venom's tongue, the clone was running around in the arctic bonding with a mad scientist, a husky, half of Canada, Wolverine, and eventually Patricia Robertson who takes it to New York to duke it out with the original Venom. I don't think it has an official name. Unofficially, it's been referred to as the Venom clone, Wolvenom (when bonded with Logan), or Robertson-Venom / She-Venom II (when bonded with Patricia). (For a picture of the clone / She-Venom II, see current avi. 😛 )
Originally posted by CKayote
[B]Then you're of the opinion that symbiotes are parasitic rather truly mutualisitc/'symbiotic'?
Do suppose that the original symbiote was also intended as a biological weapon?I don't think the symbiotes could actually kill every human on the planet without replicating out of control (which would require technological aid) or infiltrating a nuclear silo (more likely). Following your logic, I'm going to think that the symbiote(s) are/were intended to "soften" up or distract humanity while the bad spider robots unleashed something worse.
Or maybe as I said before, The Suit is lying, and therefore Bob might be the good one. So he created the Venom clone and the cloned sleeper duos to counter whatever The Suit was planning.
Yes I have always been of the opinion that the symbiotes are basically parasitic in method. The host organism usually isn't relying on them for actual survival, as is seen in true symbiosis; symbiotes are "add-on"s, like options on a new car. The only symbiotic currently relying on his symbiote for actual survival is Kasady, who is very ill. At least as far as I know, he still is.
Yes the original was intended as a biological weapon IMO. BUT! Keep in mind that even we humans use natural organisms as weapons [or some of us do] and these agents, say for instance anthrax or smallpox, certainly have the potential to escape their handler's control. What's so amazing about sentient or semi-sentient weapons getting loose and wreaking equal havok? Science fiction is chock-a-block with these scenarios. Look at the Terminators. Look at the Nexus 6 androids from Blade Runner. All intelligent weapons that turned on their masters.
It seems to me that what "Bob" et al were planning was.... the clone Patricia ended up with was just the first. I think they were planning an ARMY of those things.....
If Bob was the "good" one, why was he having his agents dropping nuclear warheads all over the place? Good guys generally eschew that sort of thing... and they usually don't breed scary monsters and then test them on alive & aware human subjects as the subject runs around the facility screaming in horror.
Just my opinion, o'course.