Do you think some people have earned the right to die for their crimes?

The Omega> I doubt that day will come, when us two will DISagree, open minded people tend not to disagree a lot 😉

Capital Punishment violets human rights! Ive said this before, but it seems it needs to be repeated over and over again. Its a murder in itself...who gave the state the right to take someone elses life?
Do you not think we've advanced beyond the 'life for a life' idea thing!

big gay kirk> You are from UK, so im persuing you know that the last person in the UK killed in the name of the state, by capital punishment, was innocent.
There is always doubt...or there should be. As i said before, high powered defense could make all the difference.

Also, killing a person on electric chair! Thats barbaric, lethal injection too...if not done properly, it could make the person suffer immensely. Hanging, as well. That is barbaric, and unacceptable for a society as developed as ours!
Not everything is solved by a quick fix. And that is what Capital punishment is...a quick fix!

Originally posted by The Omega
(Takes a handkechief from Lil Bitchiness) Maaan. You know what worries me the MOST? That I cannot shake the feeling, that some of the pro-death penalty people have never ever thouht it over, and simply echoes something they "heard" somewhere. And keeps repeating it, without really looking at the facts and evidence provided.

The truer words have not been spoken in this thread!

Eleveninches> But you can revoke a prison-sentence. You can free the person in question and pay damages. There is no way back, once you murder someone.

Lil Bitchiness> Maybe we should discuss politics? 😄 Ahem, anyways...

Yes. A quick fix. A political way of "doing something about crime" and do it fast before election day. I cannot phantom why some people think I want murderers, rapists and abuser to be treated nicely. I do not. But capital punishment is barbaric, it adds to the violence of a society that should progress. And by progress I also mean looking into WHY people take drugs, rape women and commit murder. Hardboiled murderers should undergo intensive psycho-analysis, so we can learn what went wrong. Thereby we gain the chance of preventing another murder.

By using the death-penalty we do not prevent someone else from committing the same crime. Society just commits another murder.

Capial Punishment does NOT work as a deterrent. IF it did no one would commit capital crimes, and hence the death penalty would not be used. The very FACT that the death penalty is still in use, shows it is a failure.

Omega 👆 Do you want to be my substitute at job during my holidays 🙂

Originally posted by The Omega
Eleveninches> But you can revoke a prison-sentence. You can free the person in question and pay damages. There is no way back, once you murder someone.

I disagree.
If a person has spent 50 years (the majority of their life) in jail, then they can never get that time back. Most of their life has been taken from them, just like people on death row have thir lives taken away.
Also, when a person enters prison in their 20's and leaves in their 40's or later, there is virtually no way to get a job, and they will be too old to work and die poor and lonely.

Once you have been imprisoned, there is no way to compensate for the lost time.

I believe that the people that kill do not deserve to die, because I believe they can still ask for forgiveness and go to heaven. I think they should rott away alone in a jail cell for years if they do the unthinkable. I don't believe in capital punishment.

binga...i understand your views...

But what purpose does encarcerating them serve? Now you need to feed him, let him bathe, and have people look after him...Why not just put him in the ground?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
binga...i understand your views...

But what purpose does encarcerating them serve? Now you need to feed him, let him bathe, and have people look after him...Why not just put him in the ground?

/\ and all this will be done to him through taxpayers money.
He wont even have to work for a living

Yes, I understand that, but I feel that Capital Punishment is barbaric. And to Link, I don't think he/she should be let off so easily and be killed.

Prison now a days isn't a punishment...it's a lifestyle. I met some guys at a bar last weekend (they were tweekers) and they told me that anytime they can't afford to live in an apartment or pay for food....they do something illegal to get thrown in jail! Seriuosly what is that?! They said they've each done about 4 different 6-12 month terms...

Prisons have become a sanctuary for low life criminals and hoodlums. I think we need to revert our prisons to Shawshank style prisons with gaurds that will give you a good beating just for looking at them funny.

Link that just isn't right
I personally do agree with the Death sentence when it comes to Rapists and Child molestors. However not in the traditional way, I believe that the Victims of such horrible crimes should be able to either witness the death, or have the right to perform the Execution. I mean can you imagine what that could do to a child being molested then told that the person Who did it would out of Jail in 10 to 20 years because they where good in Jail. It's a bull flop system and it doesn't work nobody gets reformed these days. As for murderers I don't feel they should be Executed it's too easy for them Murderes should be left in solitary confinement until they go insane then let back into the general prison population for the rest of his/her life. let them be tortured with the insanity caused be haveing no Human contact for 10 years first that's a worse punishment than death if you ask me 😈 😮‍💨

Finti> But being found guilty doesn’t necessarily mean these people DID "it".

Originally posted by finti
let me rephrase it then if it is evidential proof that one are guilty then......... chop chop

Originally posted by finti
let me rephrase it then if it is evidential proof that one are guilty then......... chop chop

That's just messed up.

Not really it's an opinion and every body is entitled to there own

but chopping is just so gross. What can it do that a bullet to the head won't?

I agree. It reminds me of the French Revolution. Read about it Darth Midal, and you'll understand what I mean. The sent people to the guillotine for small crimes, and people enjoyed it. They thought it was entertainment. Now that's sick.

Originally posted by BingaBonga
I agree. It reminds me of the French Revolution. Read about it Darth Midal, and you'll understand what I mean. The sent people to the guillotine for small crimes, and people enjoyed it. They thought it was entertainment. Now that's sick.

The point is, sometimes there is doubt, sometimes there isnt... if there is the slightest bit of doubt, then the death penalty cannot apply... but sometimes (and note that word, people!!) there is NO DOUBT... As I've said before, I'm actually not in favour of the death penalty... I believe that robbers, vandals, muggers, burglars, tax dodgers etc should be put in chain gangs and made to do the work that apparently we cannot afford to pay people to do, like mending the roads, and sorting through rubbish to aid recycling, and people PROVEN BEYOND DOUBT to be rapists, and paedophiles should take the place of the dogs and rabbits in medical experiments...

Corlindel> Depends on what you do! 😉

Eleveninches> But you cannot disagree with the fact that a jail-sentence can be revoked, right? If you go to jail at age 20, and are found to be innocent 20 years later, you get financial compensation.

If you’re murdered by the system, there is no way back.

Do you think prison is a holiday? That it’s cool to be locked up, without any freedom, without parties, vacations, lovers, children and all of that? Do you know how expensive it is to carry out the death-penalty?
And – to repeat myself - What about those who didn’t vote in favour of the death-penalty?

Finti> So in the cases where innocent people where sentenced to death, BY a judge, BY the system, there was NO evidence? Or… ?

BingaBonga> YOU certainly need to read up on the French Revolution. Especially the circumstances leading up to it.

Big gay Kirk> But still innocent people were and are sentenced to death. Obviously the “beyond any reasonable doubt” is a relative notion. You keep saying, that when there is NO doubt the person in question did it, then he/she should be executed. I’m trying to point out, that that is how the system is supposed to work. And it has failed. Countless times.
So there is NO “no doubt”.

Originally posted by The Omega
Corlindel> Depends on what you do! 😉

Do you think prison is a holiday? That it’s cool to be locked up, without any freedom, without parties, vacations, lovers, children and all of that? Do you know how expensive it is to carry out the death-penalty?
And – to repeat myself - What about those who didn’t vote in favour of the death-penalty?

That is why it is called a democratic society if the people who didn't vote for the Death penalty lost well sorry about your luck but you lost don't pull a George W. Bush just because you lost get over it. Whether you agree with Capital Punishment or the cost of it think of this what do you think cost's more a Quick injection or a life time of Jail with food, guards, electricity, water, heat, all these things have to be taken into thought. And do you think that Paul Bernardo after the atrocities he perfomed on two young women deseves full Cable with Pay per View etc. It's not right when the people on the outside are busting our asses off just to put food on the tables for our wives and Children and we cant afford the luxuries that A rapist/ murderer has and WE are the ones fronting the bill. He is sitting in his comfortable Jailsell laughing his head off instead of paying a penalty. Yet people think that he deserves to live The world really has gone straight to Hell.