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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Oh yeah; Christian explained it. So there was a purgatory/limbo after all. I suspected that since season one.

And the reason Ben wasn't allowed into the church is because he went to Hell. (That, or he's still alive, but they don't reveal how much time has elapsed.)

No he will just stay in limbo until he and the others are ready to move on, and no he definetly was dead. Also Christian explained time had no meaning there, so as Evil Dead said Hurley and Ben could have been on the island 10,000 years until they died and met everyone in Limbo. Ben could have gone in the church, but he didn't want to as he wasn't ready to move on.

The limbo aspect is a new thing revealed in this season only.

It's like, annoying that some of you guys dont get it.

Ive been checking out some other boards talking about it, and yeah not a lot of people understood the episode.

Originally posted by -K-M-

The limbo aspect is a new thing revealed in this season only.

It was confirmed in this season. But a lot of fans have thought exactly that for a long time, myself included.

Maybe the writers intended a different direction at first, but then gave in to fan speculation; "Yeah, let's just go with the limbo angle.".

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
It was confirmed in this season. But a lot of fans have thought exactly that for a long time, myself included.

Maybe the writers intended a different direction at first, but then gave in to fan speculation; "Yeah, let's just go with the limbo angle.".

Except the limbo concept wasn't mentioned or even shown until THIS season.

Prior was just fan speculation, which had no evidence behind it. People speculated the island was heaven and everyone was dead, but that wasn't true. The limbo aspect had nothing to do with the previous seasons, this was a new aspect introduced in this season.

That was absolutely crazy.

Absolutely crazy.

Im utterly mindraped.

just finished the final show.. so,, so damn good..

i am glad i dvr'd this season, so saturday i will re watch and later in the year i will buy this season on dvd..

Originally posted by Quincy
It's like, annoying that some of you guys dont get it.

i got it after the very first episode, but yeah some people will and some won't.. i know tomorrow when i am at my job i will be explaining everything to a lot of people

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except the limbo concept wasn't mentioned or even shown until THIS season.

Prior was just fan speculation, which had no evidence behind it. People speculated the island was heaven and everyone was dead, but that wasn't true. The limbo aspect had nothing to do with the previous seasons, this was a new aspect introduced in this season.

No evidence? What about common sense? Just put two and two together. Them being in some kind of afterlife or limbo was apparent early on. I mean, what's the point in mentioning the obvious? Remember the two-hour recap before the finale started? The creators said they intentionally left loose ends for an "intelligent audience". And they got exactly that by their fans being able to piece it together.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
I thought it was very well done. You didn't seem to grasp it. The sideways is the afterlife. That's why the cut on Jack's neck kept showing up. That's why characters kept remembering little things until they finally remembered everything. They were remembering their lives.

As Christian told Jack, everyone dies eventually. Hurley and Ben stayed behind to protect the island. They could have done that job for 10,000 years before they died....but they did eventually die.

Jack died on the island. Boone, Shannon, Sayid, Sun, Jin, etc. were already dead before Jack.

Sawyer, Kate, Lapidus, Miles, Ben, Hurley, etc. all died after Jack. Christian said some died long after Jack.

The flashsideways is a type of purgatory. Time does not exist there as Christian pointed out. It didn't matter when they all died, they were all in purgatory at the same time. They all remembered each other and remembered their lives. They were then ready to move on together to whatever was next.

the writers were smart. they didn't go with heaven. they didn't go with anything. they left it up to the viewer to decide where these people were going. A christian might decide they were all moving onto heaven, a Buddhist may decide they were all moving on to nirvana or to be reincarnated. All that was important is that they all met up in the afterlife to move on together.

ps. none of this had anything to do with Smoky dying. His power came from the light at the heart of the island. Desmond extinguished Smoky's power source and Jack killed him, just as Jack had planned.

I was a little confused with the ending, but your post REALLY puts it into perspective and I absolutely love it.

I'm gonna miss this mind **** of a show.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No evidence? What about common sense? Just put two and two together. Them being in some kind of afterlife or limbo was apparent early on. I mean, what's the point in mentioning the obvious? Remember the two-hour recap before the finale started? The creators said they intentionally left loose ends for an "intelligent audience". And they got exactly that by their fans being able to piece it together.

Except what was shown wasn't the case. The island is not an afterlife, guess you missed the part were people did think it was like Richard thinking it was Hell and he was quickly corrected saying he was wrong. No need for using common sense, as that is a fact and was stated and shown as such. The afterlife aspect was ONLY introduced here with the flash-sideways. Everything else was in "reality", there are spirits that linger there such as Micheal but it's not an afterlife their just trapped and is different from the flash-sideways.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No evidence? What about common sense? Just put two and two together. Them being in some kind of afterlife or limbo was apparent early on. I mean, what's the point in mentioning the obvious? Remember the two-hour recap before the finale started? The creators said they intentionally left loose ends for an "intelligent audience". And they got exactly that by their fans being able to piece it together.

You're missing the part about how they were NOT dead on the island. They didn't die until they had already been on the island or after the island. They all met up again in limbo, after they had all died from various causes. The alternate timeline is this limbo, Christian himself said that they created this so they could all meet again.

Originally posted by LanceWindu
You're missing the part about how they were NOT dead on the island. They didn't die until they had already been on the island or after the island. They all met up again in limbo, after they had all died from various causes. The alternate timeline is this limbo, Christian himself said that they created this so they could all meet again.

Spot on 👆

The island timeline was real - the ATL purgatory whatsit takes place where there is no "now." They've all lived their lives, Hurley and Ben did their tour of duty, etc. The Kwan's died on the sub, Jack died in the bamboo with Vincent at his side. The reason they came together in the Alt is because of their time on the island, which Christian referred to as the most important time in their lives. Their real actual lives.

The Alt was also used as a place for these characters to finally let go of their grudges before passing on. The scene with Locke forgiving Ben was beautiful and truly shows just how far Ben had come from where he started.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No evidence? What about common sense? Just put two and two together. Them being in some kind of afterlife or limbo was apparent early on. I mean, what's the point in mentioning the obvious? Remember the two-hour recap before the finale started? The creators said they intentionally left loose ends for an "intelligent audience". And they got exactly that by their fans being able to piece it together.

how was it apparent early on? You said since season 1, yet the flashsideways, Alt timeline (aka limbo/purgatory) wasn't introduced until season 6.

that's like saying you knew in season 1 that Dogen would be a useless character from the getgo. He didn't exist until season 6 so how did you know?

for the record, I knew all the way back in season 1 that Ben Linus would protect the island with Hurley. It was all common sense. It was obvious!

Gary Troupe (The in-LOSTiverse writer of "Bad Twin" that got turbined in the Pilot) is an anagram of purgatory.

This was talked about in podcasts and stuff...so many of us had been on to the possiblity of the P wprd since back then in Season 1 and 2.

However, when pressed on the issue DL and CC always denied it.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ive been checking out some other boards talking about it, and yeah not a lot of people understood the episode.

Same here. Some people have gone so far as saying its the worst ending ever.

Originally posted by LanceWindu
The island timeline was real - the ATL purgatory whatsit takes place where there is no "now." They've all lived their lives, Hurley and Ben did their tour of duty, etc. The Kwan's died on the sub, Jack died in the bamboo with Vincent at his side. The reason they came together in the Alt is because of their time on the island, which Christian referred to as the most important time in their lives. Their real actual lives.

The Alt was also used as a place for these characters to finally let go of their grudges before passing on. The scene with Locke forgiving Ben was beautiful and truly shows just how far Ben had come from where he started.

Very well said.

I for one liked it a lot. There were a lot of high points in the finale. Lapidus being alive was one of them. Wouldve liked some of the nagging questions to be answered but besides that hteres not much to complain. As for Hurley being the new Jacob, I think he had it easy. No more monster, barely any others left (if any) and he had Ben's help.

The ending was neat, but it wasn't close to what th majority of fans wanted. - information wise -

Origin of the island stuff. The way Jacob explained the island with tbottle saying that "the island was like the cork" and the MiB the conents...wanting to leave. Well, why was this the case? When MiB was a child, BEFORE he was the smoke monster, he wanted to get off the island. He was concieved off the island and wanted to see his mothers hoemland. Nothing mystical there, but he was forbidden. Why? Would the world have ended if he got off the island AS a child BEFORE he became the smoke monster? If so, HOW? He'd just be some kid? If Not..why forbid him to leave?

MiB could have released Des from the hatch and manipulated him to the heart of the island ANY time from season 1-3. I mean des had been pushing the button for YEARS. MiB could have lured him.

Ancient Egyptian artifact on the island..how and why?

Why couldn't jacob just told ben/losties/others, MiB (the smoke monster) is an evil spirit that will destroy the world if he's allowed to leave the island.? He could have told dharma and Ben and Richards Others in the 70's 80's 90's ANYTIME before flight 815 crased. And then they could have simplytold the Losties everything Jacob told them. "this island houses a magnetic field that keeps an evil spirit from leaving and destroying the world" "look theres the button that must be pressed" "look theres the light that keeps the lid on the island" "yes you can leave , we'll drop you off in the sub, you won't be able to find your way back so are you sure?"

Hurleys purpose as protector, when there is no one left to threaten the island?

MiB turned Mortal when Des Pulled the plug, so why not just let him leave? Destroy the world in the frail old body of John Locke? I think Not..

I mean , it wasn't the worst ending to a show. But Alot of you are kidding yourselves if "the relatinships of the people" was the most intrigueing part of the show. Im wide awake, I wanted an origin of the island. I didnt get it. I am not satisfied.

Yeah I wish they explained more, but sadly that's the card we were drawn. Unless they do a spin-off, a movie or a book.

Anyone else think Jack may have become a smoke entity himself?

obviously someone did, because Hurley and ben died afterall...so they must have been killed, but by whom? We'll nevr know. If they were killed by another smoke monster MiB character then that would mean Someone ELSE made his own way to the heart of the island and went into the light. Who knows. Maybe the island is somesort of Fate Net, testing the protectors constantly forever. Every 100 years a new group arrive/crash/find the island and the jacob / hurly/protector must keep them away from the light.

It was beautiful.

Beautifully clever at how they avoided every question about the island and covered it with "it dont matter, they're dead and happy"

Beautiful ending. I just wanna know wtf the island is. Why there were bones down in the light cavern. What the cavern is. ****ing more symbols. Not fair.