well I think someone thast believes in an omnipotent God would belive in anything but yes if you would belive an eternal being of whatever kind I say you seem to belive a lot of stuff that is said
If somebody believes that you could get something from literal nothingness, then they seemingly are willing to believe anything. If somebody believes that the universe could be infinite existence then they are seemingly willing to believe anything.
I just can't see how it is anyymore reasonable that an eternal being has to be omnipotent than not
For something to be living (a being) it requires energy to sustain itself. If a being is eternal, its existance is infinite. In order to sustain infinite existence, it requires infinite energy. Therefore an Eternal being would require omnipotence. (unlimited energy/power)
Originally posted by clickclick
In order to sustain infinite existence, it requires infinite energy. Therefore an Eternal being would require omnipotence. (unlimited energy/power)
Infinite energy and the power to do anything you want with one thought are two different things.
And of course believing that the Universe will go on forever, and came out of nothing is stupid. But that doesn't mean that there has to be a person that started it and then put his "son" on a really unimportant planet like earth just to entertain himself. Thats just very far fetched.
Originally posted by Bardock42Ever considered that a supernatural deity could have caused the big bang?
Infinite energy and the power to do anything you want with one thought are two different things.and of course believing that the Universe will go on forever, and came out of nothing is stupid. But I mean that doesn't measn that there has to be a person that started it and then put his "son" of a really unimportant planet like earth just to entertain himself.
Infinite energy and the power to do anything you want with one thought are two different things.
Infinite energy is infinite power. To have the infinite amounts of energy, you have to be able to do anything. Otherwise itd have never started and itd most certainly end.
and of course believing that the Universe will go on forever, and came out of nothing is stupid. But I mean that doesn't measn that there has to be a person that started it and then put his "son" of a really unimportant planet like earth just to entertain himself.
If you had infinite power, would you not create? Putting his son (jesus) on earth is another issue altogther, one in which I have questioned actually. I dont really get it but maybe I dont need to get it? God would not need for all his actions to make sense to me, he can do whatever he wants.
Ive explained why there needs to be a creator. If it wasnt omnipotent, it couldnt have always existed.
yes I considered something not someone to have started the big bang, that kind of sounds reasonable to me
But again Always exist doesn't mean you can do anything you want, it just doesn't make it necessary to be omnipotent. Î ca follow what you say but having infinite energy that keeps you alive forever doesn't enable you to crate an earth or anything else.
yes I considered something not someone to have started the big bang, that kind of sounds reasonable to me
But again Always exist doesn't mean you can do anything you want, it just doesn't make it necessary to be omnipotent. Î ca follow what you say but having infinite energy that keeps you alive forever doesn't enable you to crate an earth or anything else.
Unlimited energy= unlimited power= omnipotence. Thats what omnipotence is. Energy was just slightly different terminology for describing the same thing. Didnt want to sound redundant.
If youve considered that "something" but not a omnipotent being created the big bang, what created the something? It cant be eternal without energy. Anything shy of unlimited power, requires a starting point.
infinite existence would require infinite power (to be able to do anything you want).
Why you ask?
Because if you couldnt do whatever you wanted, you couldnt have infinite energy. Energy would need to derive from something, that power (energy) is made possible by being able to do whatever you want. Which is omnipotence, unlimited power.
Look if you believe that there could be unlimited energy, what stops you from believing there could be an omnipotent being?
Ive given you the what stops me from believing the reverse.
Living systems:
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[*]are built upon and require carbon-based chemistry.
[*]manifest in the form of fundamental structures called "cells".
[*]utilize chemical bonds and light energy to produce organized structures.
[*]grow and self-replicate.
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While non-living systems may exhibit one or more of these properties, they do not possess all of them, as in the case of the universe.
The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. This supports the concept that all the matter in the universe was not created, but has always existed.
A non-living system such as the universe would not require energy for its creation if it always existed.
While non-living systems may exhibit one or more of these properties, they do not possess all of them, as in the case of the universe.The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. This supports the concept that all the matter in the universe was not created, but has always existed.
A non-living system such as the universe would not require energy for its creation if it always existed.
Such is the concept but that it always existed is seems quite a stretch by the standards of science. That can not be logically explained, can it?
Re: why are you an atheist?
Originally posted by HiddenPotentialbecause i can't say whether there is a god or there isn't. i told myself that i am going to keep an open-mind, anyway, if there is a god, then why does war happen, all the bad things happen and god does'nt exactly help matters
Its mind boggling to me, so why?