Originally posted by Wanderer259
There is a difference between 'preptime' and being prepared. If we had 'preptime' as a stipulation, it'd mean Batman gets time to study Spider-Man, train for a fight with him, set up a battlefield, and equip himself exactly to only meet the situation Spidey presents.Batman is always prepared for most types of situations. Does he carry a chunk of Kryptonite with him everywhere he goes in case Superman goes insane? I doubt it, but that's a unique and rare situation. Spider-Man, however, is not a unique nor rare situation. He's fought people more agile than him, fought people who are stronger than he, fought people faster than he, ALL without having 'preptime' and won.
Just because Batman has no 'preptime' does not mean he is equipmentless or unable to come up with a plan.
I don't agree that Batman will win every time, but he won't get 'crushed' like everyone believes he will. Or else Spider-Man wouldn't have as much trouble with someone like the Shocker as he does; the Shocker's had Spidey at his mercy before, but let him go.
Yes Batman is prepped, but think of it as a random RPG battle, you carry your normal " best" gear, then find that unique opponent that makes you use the best of the best, and then you still lose a good few times. That is what I mean, everyone isn't doing this, but a select few are.
Batman won't get crushed by spidey unless he is close, a very foolish move, for a man this clever. Spiderman ripped Iron Man 2020's armor, and can break concrete. But again bats wont anticipate this, without preptime, I mean does spiderman look that physically overwhelming at first glance?
And as for that, spiderman has been beaten so many times, it isn't funny but keeps him interesting, spidermans foes are often alive because he let them live. Bats is very similar, but he is shown more often than not winning, and readers and fans, see him winning anyway, without explaining why, but that obviously isn't you.
Originally posted by who?-kid
You're absolutely right, but it's no use: you're talking to stone walls.Nobody here has given ANY kind of evidence - or convincing argument - how Batman will beat a guy with precog and who outclasses Batman in every physical way.
The closest thing you might read here, is something like :"Hm, well, he is the Bats after all, so I suppose he could do this and that..."
Spider-Man wins. Logic tells me that. Common sense too by the way.
This is on paper (by the script). But superpowers opponents always underestimated the very human Batman. But that's their 1st downfall. Batman hardly plays by the script.....he makes sure he's the writer.
Spidey is popular....strong....agile but he's overestimated in this tread. With the spider-sense you people make it sound like a Omni-scient ability. Tarantula manage to jab spidey with his stings on his foot. And that was a frontal attack! Spider-sense is good but not alway dependable.
Anyway Situations in Gotham is much worse than MU NY. The JLA, Superman could not do nothing to make things good.
Originally posted by joesha28
This is on paper (by the script). But superpowers opponents always underestimated the very human Batman. But that's their 1st downfall. Batman hardly plays by the script.....he makes sure he's the writer.
Yes, but people underestimate spiderman as well. Batman uses a considerable amount more effort in his tossups than spiderman can, and uses powerful gadgets, that spiderman could easily win with.
Originally posted by joesha28
Spidey is popular....strong....agile but he's overestimated in this tread. With the spider-sense you people make it sound like a Omni-scient ability. Tarantula manage to jab spidey with his stings on his foot. And that was a frontal attack! Spider-sense is good but not alway dependable.
Yes and batman is always overestimated, he is seldomly written to get hit,and dodges things well, he finds that way all the time.
Spiderman books usually show him getting beat into submission by a new opponent, but he lets his opponents live, batman has been given trouble by streetthugs before.
Spiderman wouldn't need precog. Its seldom even mentioned and is just cream on the cape. Spidey has great strength, maneuverability, problem solving, gadgetry, wall crawling, to give many trouble, pre-cog is a cream on the cake.
Batman has the cunning and gadgetry to give an opponent trouble,his hand 2 hand attacks would cause him to work against himself constantly. And his limitless omnscient belt, is what causes him to be defended against, ridiculous odds at times.
Originally posted by joesha28
Anyway Situations in Gotham is much worse than MU NY. The JLA, Superman could not do nothing to make things good.
Spiderman has been solo, and does not have the likes of GL,MM.SP.WW.flash to protect him if a mistake occurs, hell I would be brave with those around, writers have to show bats win alot, because he would be immediately overrated because of lack of powers,its a reminder he is a contributor to the team, remember when bats would get tired, and fight common thugs and penguin.
Batman matches are a factor often of what he can pull out, but you do well. Great post!!
Thanks for the compliment. I don't write off Spidey. He the man who is best at what he does, but not at what Batman do.
A fight can't be duduce by mere strength, power etc. Attitude has to be taken in account.
for example: Tiger vs Lion
Tigers are bigger, better hunters, killers. But the Lions are mainly fighters. As a hunter, Tigers try to avoid fights, to fight means injury...injury means starvation or death. But lions are fighter they don't mind. With that mane protection they fight other lions with manes. To injure or defeat them, the lion has to go thru the mane of the opposing lion. So with the Tiger, it's quite ok for the Lion to injure it no doubt tigers can be stronger ( a tiger can take down a buffulo while a pride of Lionnesses take down a zebra).
You see, you have to deduce the attributes too.
Originally posted by joesha28
Thanks for the compliment. I don't write off Spidey. He the man who is best at what he does, but not at what Batman do.A fight can't be duduce by mere strength, power etc. Attitude has to be taken in account.
for example: Tiger vs Lion
Tigers are bigger, better hunters, killers. But the Lions are mainly fighters. As a hunter, Tigers try to avoid fights, to fight means injury...injury means starvation or death. But lions are fighter they don't mind. With that mane protection they fight other lions with manes. To injure or defeat them, the lion has to go thru the mane of the opposing lion. So with the Tiger, it's quite ok for the Lion to injure it no doubt tigers can be stronger ( a tiger can take down a buffulo while a pride of Lionnesses take down a zebra).
You see, you have to deduce the attributes too.
Here's a more accurate one.lol
People vs. Polar Bears.
People have the most attitude of any creature, and are capable of any thought, but they will get ripped to shreds by that bear.lol
You have to weigh the obvious strengh and power advantage.
But seriously,I think batman and spidey are very similar, its just that people don't seem to think spidey can be deadly because he jokes or people see him as a kid.
This guy allows his opponents to live.
But a herd of JLA takeout one villian, Spidey has taken out multiple villans.
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Spiderman has been solo, and does not have the likes of GL,MM.SP.WW.flash to protect him if a mistake occurs, hell I would be brave with those around.[/B]
Yes, but Batman does not let them in. He will go like"you're on my turf" or something. He has that sovereinty in Gotham no matter it's the worse city in DCU he established it.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Here's a more accurate one.lolPeople vs. Polar Bears.
People have the most attitude of any creature, and are capable of any thought, but they will get ripped to shreds by that bear.lol
You have to weigh the obvious strengh and power advantage.
But seriously,I think batman and spidey are very similar, its just that people don't seem to think spidey can be deadly because he jokes or people see him as a kid.
This guy allows his opponents to live.
But a herd of JLA takeout one villian, Spidey has taken out multiple villans.
If that the case people will not be animal's worst enemies. It's the state of the mind also. Being prepared is a factor too.
It depends on the villians who JLA or spidey's taking out. And of course the scope of the evil task the villians plan to do.
Like i said : Spidey has to take down Bats fast, taking it slow will can fatal even if Bats knows abt Spidey or not. Batman has a keen sense of deducing things. He will deduce Spiderman's a superhuman (not superstrength here!) by spidey's movements.
Originally posted by joesha28
If that the case people will not be animal's worst enemies. It's the state of the mind also. Being prepared is a factor too.
Yes but animals have no intent on what happens to them, but they will confront you in a fight,spidey's mind works great.
Originally posted by joesha28
It depends on the villians who JLA or spidey's taking out. And of course the scope of the evil task the villians plan to do.
And the weapons, and handicaps and odds.
Originally posted by joesha28
Like i said : Spidey has to take down Bats fast, taking it slow will can fatal even if Bats knows abt Spidey or not. Batman has a keen sense of deducing things. He will deduce Spiderman's a superhuman (not superstrength here!) by spidey's movements.
Oh yes but knowing that and reacting to it is 2 different things, spidey is faster and can remove bats appendages, and has the webbing which bats could PHYSICALLY never escape, so incapacitate bats, or killhim, spidrman is simply the larger chess piece.
I understand. Spidey's smart but hey Batman was not call the world's greatest detective for nothing. So lets not oversee his sharpness of his mind. Deduction is part of detectivity.
Spidey's faster we all know that. But i was not talking of stopping spiderman with appendages, it's difficult to stop him that way BUT he can be slowed 😉 . If he can be slowed Batman can gain an advantage.
For the webbing, i hardly see spiderman uses it on major villians but on rookies yes. But Batman no rookie either.
Spiderman is a larger chess piece but Batman plays chess-master most of the times. The"think 5-step ahead of opponent" principle. He used it ion some of the most brilliant mind in DCU.