Batman vs Spiderman

Started by nngo2k343 pages

Perhaps the writings are inconsistent. But maybe that's the joy of reading comics. But they aren't inconsistent like DBZ, that just doesn't make sense.

Doesn't the fact that Superman, Wonderman, and the other superpowers respect Batman as their equal counts for something?

I concede that in a ring, Spidey is simply faster and harder to surprise, he can knock out Bats with 1 punch or two. But this takes away from the full qualities of a superhero. In this case, Bats qualities are much more than his fighting skills.

As to Bats and Spidey's full potential, I don't know. I retract and I admit that Spidey can have the potential to beat Bats. But I don't think Bats is a pushover.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's all great an' all but in this fight Spidey's mind is dwarfed about as far as Bat's brawn is dwarfed.
You're mistaken. Spider-man has OUTWITTED Dr.Octopus, Mysterio, the Lizard, Green Goblin, the Wizard, Carrion, and Arcade on numerous occasions.

All of these guys have attempted to defeat him by using prep-time and failed. And all of these guys are geniuses (even the enthusiastic lizard).

Spider-man has outwitted geniuses that utilize prep-time and you think Batman's mind is as superior to Spideys' as Spideys strength is superior to Batman's?

I think your weed is superior to Bob Marleys. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
You're mistaken. Spider-man has OUTWITTED Dr.Octopus, Mysterio, the Lizard, Green Goblin, the Wizard, Carrion, and Arcade on numerous occasions.

All of these guys have attempted to defeat him by using prep-time and failed. And all of these guys are geniuses (even the enthusiastic lizard).

Spider-man has outwitted geniuses that utilize prep-time and you think Batman's mind is as superior to Spideys' as Spideys strength is superior to Batman's?

I think your weed is superior to Bob Marleys. 😮‍💨

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Originally posted by The MISTER
You're mistaken. Spider-man has OUTWITTED Dr.Octopus, Mysterio, the Lizard, Green Goblin, the Wizard, Carrion, and Arcade on numerous occasions.

All of these guys have attempted to defeat him by using prep-time and failed. And all of these guys are geniuses (even the enthusiastic lizard).

Spider-man has outwitted geniuses that utilize prep-time and you think Batman's mind is as superior to Spideys' as Spideys strength is superior to Batman's?

I think your weed is superior to Bob Marleys. 😮‍💨

Good post. And these geniuses w/prep that Spidey's outwitted can actually compare with him on a physical level. Unlike Batman.

Originally posted by The MISTER
You're mistaken. Spider-man has OUTWITTED Dr.Octopus, Mysterio, the Lizard, Green Goblin, the Wizard, Carrion, and Arcade on numerous occasions.

All of these guys have attempted to defeat him by using prep-time and failed. And all of these guys are geniuses (even the enthusiastic lizard).

Spider-man has outwitted geniuses that utilize prep-time and you think Batman's mind is as superior to Spideys' as Spideys strength is superior to Batman's?

I think your weed is superior to Bob Marleys. 😮‍💨

And you realize that dramatically most of them are to some level of insane right?

Particularly Arcade, he had an unconcious spiderman. . and did not shoot him.

Yep but batman was on the verge of insanity many of time, and keep in mind that spiderman fought these guys on their own terms in their own environments.

If you guys are comparing the mind games that Bat villians play to the mind games Spidey villians play you've completley lost it or are simply not intellegent enought to distinguish the emmense difference between the two. Shame on all of you who've compared the world's greatest detective to a "I hope I can figure it out as I go" character.

And I hope those of you who have made this comparison weren't talking about an in battle trick. Comparing a feint to a intricate game of chess is tomfoolery.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And you realize that dramatically most of them are to some level of insane right?

So unlike Joker...

Spiderman has solved world class problems for years on his foot, making him that much better, whatever batman could do, spidey could do it while on standup

It is good that spiderman solve world class problems. But lets not mistake world class problems to the global and universal treats that batman has have the liberty of solving. Without breaking a sweat if I might add.

So anything batman can do, spidey can do it while on stand up? Ok can spiderman take a punch from a ticked of superman from the future and live to tell the tale. Or a beating from a superman who is under the control of red kryptonite for that matter?

Batman took the beating delivered by these two seemingly different supermen. One from Superman/Batman issue #2 and the other is lex luthor man of steel issue # 3 Just thought to give proof while I am destroying the argument of spiderman's superhuman strength being a factor. 🙂 that suit of batman is something.

Batman's suit isn't something as you make it seem when he gets himself in trouble with the common thug at times, he's been souped up to match the JLA, imagine the batman that ran and got tired, batman has solved threats much like spiderman except he has a team of superheroes to back him up.

Spiderman superstrength is a factor when he ripped Iron Man's 2020 armor, and people saying it has no effect on anyone is getting quite old, no offense, because this is my first time against you.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Batman's suit isn't something as you make it seem when he gets himself in trouble with the common thug at times, he's been souped up to match the JLA, imagine the batman that ran and got tired, batman has solved threats much like spiderman except he has a team of superheroes to back him up.
True. More like a team of gods AND a gang of sidekicks. Spidey's more of a loner. He has backup, but nowhere near as much as Batman.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
It is good that spiderman solve world class problems. But lets not mistake world class problems to the global and universal treats that batman has have the liberty of solving. Without breaking a sweat if I might add.

So anything batman can do, spidey can do it while on stand up? Ok can spiderman take a punch from a ticked of superman from the future and live to tell the tale. Or a beating from a superman who is under the control of red kryptonite for that matter?

Batman took the beating delivered by these two seemingly different supermen. One from Superman/Batman issue #2 and the other is lex luthor man of steel issue # 3 [B]Just thought to give proof while I am destroying the argument of spiderman's superhuman strength being a factor. 🙂 that suit of batman is something. [/B]


Could you please tell me what material Batman could have possibly used to stand up to a force such as a punch form a ticked off Superman of the future?

And you regret to mention just how Batman solves these universal threats without breaking a sweat? Let's not forget he has people like the Martian Manhunter, Superman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, etc to back him up. Who does Spidey have backing him up? For the better part of his career (like 40+ years): no one. Yes, occasionally he'll do a crossover story where he does some work with the Avengers or DareDevil, but the Avengers have approoached Spidey more than once so that he would do so, and DareDevil? Well, that was only for minor threats, nothing universal. I'm not trying to deny that Spidey's teamed up alongside virtually every superhero in the MU, I'm only saying that any teamups between him and a group faction have been temporary (with New Avengers being the only possible exception). As stated, Spidey's a loner at heart. At the end of the day, he'd gladly attempt to handle a threat way out of his league power-wise by himself.

There's really nothing to support the logic of Batman's suit being strong enough to stand to the force of unpulled punches from Superman..there's just the argument of it happening. And that argument (like SVFL "happening" and Venom vs Superman just "happening) and saying it's credible is not a very good argument. To say Batman's armor is bulletproof is one thing, to say it's Kryptonian-proof is quite another.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
I suppose for batman's part thinking five steps ahead of his opponent, does not qualify as thinking on the fly?

Again I refer to this quote....


Batman thinking five steps ahead of his opponent requires prep time and the use of his gadgetry, it's not thinking on the fly or going into a battle and doing so unplanned.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Yeah 5 percent smarter in knowledge. 5 times smarter in tactics. 5 times smarter in deduction, and I'm sure there's some stuff I'm leaving out.

Is there one instance where Batman displays these abilities without the assistance of prep time or the use of gadgets?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's just the thing, Bat's doesn't need prep to think ahead of his opponents, If he has prep he just doenst' think 5 moves ahead, he plans out the entire fight 30 different ways.

Batman staying five steps ahead of his opponent (any opponent that's powerful to a degree) requires prep time, for a man of his physiology to stay five steps ahead of someone as powerful as Supes without prep would be illogical.

Supes would've executed about 50 ways to incapacitate Bats by the time Bats gets thinking on how to bring him down on the fly.

Originally posted by brainchild81
True. More like a team of gods AND a gang of sidekicks. Spidey's more of a loner. He has backup, but nowhere near as much as Batman.

Or as often, it is usually a one-shot help.

Originally posted by nngo2k
Spidey's fighting style is more impromptu, more brute force.

Batman style is more defensive, probably from his martial arts training. He waits until the right moment, the right trap and he attacks then.

Prep time would make them almost equal. However! Bats can definitely disable Spidey's senses, and that's a major blow. On the other hand, Spidey can't do much other than fight Bats hand to hand and webbing. Knock-out gas, bullets, etc... Bats is has gadgets against all of that.

Looking at Dark Knight returns, Bats went toe to toe with Supes (even before Kryptonite was used). Bats has gone toe to toe with Bane. Aren't either of these characters more powerful than Spidey?

I have to say Bats wins this one, simply because Spidey's weaknesses are more obvious to figure out.


How is Spidey's fighting style more brute force? Think of Spidey's abilties for a moment, now think of how Spidey's fighting style is described....Spidey has created a fighting style that enlists the use of ALL of his abilities. Meaning that Spidey's fighting style uses a heck of alot more than brute force.

Factoring in the complexity of his fighting style Spidey could execute multiple attacks on Batman from multiple angles before Bats would've had time to defend himself. If you're under the assumption that Spidey is one of those guys that goes in and uses a strength advantage as a way of getting by in a fight with someone, then you're confusing him with the Hulk.

And going on the defensive for Bats against Spidey, someone many times more powerful, faster, naturally durable, perceptive, etc than he would be a bad idea. Batman can't parry blows from Spidey simply by blocking him, Spidey has common sense and knows to up his game when holding back isn't doing the trick.

And how could Bats disable Spidey's spider sense? If Bats throws a flash bomb Spidey has more than enough common sense to move out of the way of it. Or he could web it and yank it out of the air as it is thrown at him? What about gas bombs, besides doing the aforementioned, Spidey could hold his breath and walk through the gas cloud, using his spider sense to detect ambush attacks courtesy of Bats. And if the battle went hand to hand or if Spidey used his webbing, they would be the only alternatives needed. In hth combat Spidey could simply punch Bats into unconsciousness. From far away Spidey could mummify him with webbing. Bullets? Pfft. Like Spidey couldn't dodge those. It's been a part of his character to do so.

And as far as the question of Bane being more powerful than Spidey...it's going to take many many many gallons of venom for Bane to come close to touching Spidey. In normal conditions, Spidey need not any plan to be able to walk all over Bane. Think about it, Bane's about three times stronger than Bats, that makes him capable of lifting about a ton. On his worst day, Spidey would fall backwards with hysterical laughter thinking of someone with strength that limited ever being a threat to him. Factor in the fact that Bane's slower and not even as agile as Bats and Bane would be almost the least of a challenge for Spidey.

And again, where's the logic in Batman being able to withstand punches from Superman? Where could Batman get the material for a suit like that? Seriously, if anyone has the answer for it I'd like to know. *Waits for the typical "where's the logic in Spidey getting his powers from a radioactive spider" response*.

And Spidey's not Superman, he doesn't have any weaknesses to any substances such as Krytonite, Bats isn't exploiting any weakness of Spidey's w/o prep time. There's a good chance he wouldn't be able to do so with prep time. What does he have on the guy?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That's all great an' all but in this fight Spidey's mind is dwarfed about as far as Bat's brawn is dwarfed.

That would make Spidey a moron.

And, as comics and multiple bios will tell, Spidey's nothing short of a genius.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
How is Spidey's fighting style more brute force? Think of Spidey's abilties for a moment, now think of how Spidey's fighting style is described....Spidey has created a fighting style that enlists the use of ALL of his abilities. Meaning that Spidey's fighting style uses a heck of alot more than brute force.

His style is more unorthodox, but he can hand it to opponents in unique style. He easily has more skill and dexterity, to surpass the bests martial artists without training, and even their training wouldn't help, they simply aren't strong or fast enought to keep spidey off of their game.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Factoring in the complexity of his fighting style Spidey could execute multiple attacks on Batman from multiple angles before Bats would've had time to defend himself. If you're under the assumption that Spidey is one of those guys that goes in and uses a strength advantage as a way of getting by in a fight with someone, then you're confusing him with the Hulk.

Spiderman hardly uses his brute force anyways, even when he's been taxed.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
And going on the defensive for Bats against Spidey, someone many times more powerful, faster, naturally durable, perceptive, etc than he would be a bad idea. Batman can't parry blows from Spidey simply by blocking him, Spidey has common sense and knows to up his game when holding back isn't doing the trick.

He could take maybe one hit, from spidey at half strength, an his webbing could smother him, its 120 lbs. per millimeter thick.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
And how could Bats disable Spidey's spider sense? If Bats throws a flash bomb Spidey has more than enough common sense to move out of the way of it. Or he could web it and yank it out of the air as it is thrown at him? What about gas bombs, besides doing the aforementioned, Spidey could hold his breath and walk through the gas cloud, using his spider sense to detect ambush attacks courtesy of Bats. And if the battle went hand to hand or if Spidey used his webbing, they would be the only alternatives needed. In hth combat Spidey could simply punch Bats into unconsciousness. From far away Spidey could mummify him with webbing. Bullets? Pfft. Like Spidey couldn't dodge those. It's been a part of his character to do so.

No, you can't use spidermans sup par feats, but you can use batmans best.......

Originally posted by StrawNilla
And as far as the question of Bane being more powerful than Spidey...it's going to take many many many gallons of venom for Bane to come close to touching Spidey. In normal conditions, Spidey need not any plan to be able to walk all over Bane. Think about it, Bane's about three times stronger than Bats, that makes him capable of lifting about a ton. On his worst day, Spidey would fall backwards with hysterical laughter thinking of someone with strength that limited ever being a threat to him. Factor in the fact that Bane's slower and not even as agile as Bats and Bane would be almost the least of a challenge for Spidey.

Or as intelligent, resouseful, or versatile for that matter.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
And again, where's the logic in Batman being able to withstand punches from Superman? Where could Batman get the material for a suit like that? Seriously, if anyone has the answer for it I'd like to know. *Waits for the typical "where's the logic in Spidey getting his powers from a radioactive spider" response*.

People like to explain, when and not how.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
And Spidey's not Superman, he doesn't have any weaknesses to any substances such as Krytonite, Bats isn't exploiting any weakness of Spidey's w/o prep time. There's a good chance he wouldn't be able to do so with prep time. What does he have on the guy?

Just a slight chance in the what if?