Just wanted to add one more thing..just because someone is light..does not necessarily mean that they have a low muscle mass..olympic swimmers, gymnists, track stars, etc..have very high muscles mass, however many of them are very light..muscle is denser than fat, therefore it is much more durable...
Originally posted by Whobdamandog
Just wanted to add one more thing..just because someone is light..does not necessarily mean that they have a low muscle mass..olympic swimmers, gymnists, track stars, etc..have very high muscles mass, however many of them are very light..muscle is denser than fat, therefore it is much more durable...
By muscle mass, I mean muscle size, which inherently has something to do with what the muscle can do anyway. Spider-Man isn't a big guy by any means, but the sheer density of his frame makes up for it. His durability is on par with Captain America.
Originally posted by Jinzin
how do muscles help his bone density though?if he got hit in the face with admantium wouldn't his face get busted up?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I thought we had already discussed this.You realize to lift GREAT weights, you would need a stronger muscle build and skeleton right?
Actually, adamantium could break his bones. If Peter, for instance, threw all he had into a single punch and hit a piece of adamantium (braced so it won't move even 1/30 of a centimeter, for instance), he'd break his hand.
Originally posted by jinzin
how do muscles help his bone density though?if he got hit in the face with admantium wouldn't his face get busted up?
The muscles don't help bone density..but overall, combined with the density of the bones..they make SM's body much more durable than that of of a normal human. An object that is denser than his muscles were to hit him(ie adamantium)..it would have to hit him with enough force to do considerable damage.
Originally posted by Wanderer259Of course adamantium would, thats a given, no doubt about it..
By muscle mass, I mean muscle size, which inherently has something to do with what the muscle can do anyway. Spider-Man isn't a big guy by any means, but the sheer density of his frame makes up for it. His durability is on par with Captain America.Actually, adamantium could break his bones. If Peter, for instance, threw all he had into a single punch and hit a piece of adamantium (braced so it won't move even 1/30 of a centimeter, for instance), he'd break his hand.
That being said, Spider-Man can be hurt by Batman, it'll just take more than a love tap, as if he were punching Cap. Now it's just a question of whether or not he can actually hit him and that's not something I think he could do without tricking Peter into it or simply capitalizing on a mistake Peter might make.
i think he can...so many people who fight at speeds of a street level have....i mean hell spiderman almost died at the hand of the surgeon general....wtf....it's not like he untouchable by any means especially when he's being compared to extremely talenteds h2h fighters...i.e. white ninja (a human whom he had to beat via plot device...hmmmm)
Originally posted by Jinzin
i think he can...so many people who fight at speeds of a street level have....i mean hell spiderman almost died at the hand of the surgeon general....wtf....it's not like he untouchable by any means especially when he's being compared to extremely talenteds h2h fighters...i.e. white ninja (a human whom he had to beat via plot device...hmmmm)
I'm not saying it's impossible for Batman to tag Spider-Man by any means. But he is faster than Bruce and reacts faster than Bruce, not to mention he's a helluva lot more maneuverable than Batman could ever dream to be. I'd credit Logan and Daredevil with hitting Spidey because they're both extremely agile, not on Spidey's level, but Matt and Logan are both more agile than Bats. I'd give Nightwing a much easier time hitting Spidey than Batman.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
By muscle mass, I mean muscle size, which inherently has something to do with what the muscle can do anyway. Spider-Man isn't a big guy by any means, but the sheer density of his frame makes up for it. His durability is on par with Captain America.
I wouldn't say that..That's like equating a solid Granite Rock that weighs 145 lbs is less durable than a 200 lb man..bad physics buddy.. 😄
Judging by SM's ability to support heavy structures, his durability would have be much greater than that of Captain America.
Actually, adamantium could break his bones.
Bad Physicas again..
Only if the adamantium was used against him with someone could apply enough force to break his bones. I can hit a brick with a hammer all day long..but if I can not hit the brick with sufficient force..it ain't going to break..
Originally posted by Wanderer259Oh yes, I didn't think he couldn't ,sorry. if it sounded like I did.
That being said, Spider-Man can be hurt by Batman, it'll just take more than a love tap, as if he were punching Cap. Now it's just a question of whether or not he can actually hit him and that's not something I think he could do without tricking Peter into it or simply capitalizing on a mistake Peter might make.
As far as the benefits for it, I'll use this analogy.
lol.
I have a knife and am confronting a tiger, I COULD win, but would the consequences be worth my time?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I'm not saying it's impossible for Batman to tag Spider-Man by any means. But he is faster than Bruce and reacts faster than Bruce, not to mention he's a helluva lot more maneuverable than Batman could ever dream to be. I'd credit Logan and Daredevil with hitting Spidey because they're both extremely agile, not on Spidey's level, but Matt and Logan are both more agile than Bats. I'd give Nightwing a much easier time hitting Spidey than Batman.
IDK if I'de say logans more agile than bats..I'd put batman just a notch below daredevil....not to say logan's not agile..just not like batman..
Originally posted by Wanderer259I would also say that DD and Wolvie can tag spiderman, I feel spiderman could dodge them at will, but he cannot fight them and dodge flawlessly.
I'm not saying it's impossible for Batman to tag Spider-Man by any means. But he is faster than Bruce and reacts faster than Bruce, not to mention he's a helluva lot more maneuverable than Batman could ever dream to be. I'd credit Logan and Daredevil with hitting Spidey because they're both extremely agile, not on Spidey's level, but Matt and Logan are both more agile than Bats. I'd give Nightwing a much easier time hitting Spidey than Batman.
Originally posted by whobdamandogYes, like wolverine vs colossus.
I wouldn't say that..That's like equating a solid Granite Rock that weighs 145 lbs is less durable than a 200 lb man..bad physics buddy.. 😄Judging by SM's ability to support heavy structures, his durability would have be much greater than that of Captain America.
Bad Physicas again..
Only if the adamantium was used against him with someone could apply enough force to break his bones. I can hit a brick with a hammer all day long..but if I can not hit the brick with sufficient force..it ain't going to break..
Originally posted by Wanderer259
That being said, Spider-Man can be hurt by Batman, it'll just take more than a love tap, as if he were punching Cap. Now it's just a question of whether or not he can actually hit him and that's not something I think he could do without tricking Peter into it or simply capitalizing on a mistake Peter might make.
He'd have to hit him pretty damb hard..hard enough to break a brick..but yeah he could hurt him..but SM would not have to hit batman with much force to hurt him..Hell..he could probably break his neck with a backhand if he really wanted to..
Originally posted by whobdamandog
He'd have to hit him pretty damb hard..hard enough to break a brick..but yeah he could hurt him..but SM would not have to hit batman with much force to hurt him..Hell..he could probably break his neck with a backhand if he really wanted to..
Spiderman used to break barrels of guns by pinching his fingers against it.
He used to hold back and ko individuals with a simple flick.
So a backhand could...
Originally posted by whobdamandogI think we know the answer.
So is anyone going to even answer my question about the Gorilla vs Trained Martial artist? Or is this whole density/mass/durability argument just another way to talk yourselves out of another valid argument? 😆 😆
Martial arts only goes soo far.
It is really there to adapt, to be honest.
There is a difference in training for something, and being built for something.
People TRAIN to hit more effectively, but I can lob your head off with a punch, which was more effective?
Originally posted by Whobdamandog
I wouldn't say that..That's like equating a solid Granite Rock that weighs 145 lbs is less durable than a 200 lb man..bad physics buddy..Judging by SM's ability to support heavy structures, his durability would have be much greater than that of Captain America.
Marvel disagrees.
Bad Physicas again..
Only if the adamantium was used against him with someone could apply enough force to break his bones. I can hit a brick with a hammer all day long..but if I can not hit the brick with sufficient force..it ain't going to break..
My 'physics', or what little I mentioned, aren't wrong at all. Of course it'd take sufficient force from another purpose to properly apply adamantium's higher durability, which is why I mentioned Spidey doing it to himself. 🙂
Wolverine can apply sufficient force, however.
He'd have to hit him pretty damb hard..hard enough to break a brick..but yeah he could hurt him..but SM would not have to hit batman with much force to hurt him..Hell..he could probably break his neck with a backhand if he really wanted to..
Actually, Batman breaks bricks and solid oak planks at will. As far as Spidey breaking Batman's neck at will, I agree, but he won't. He will, however, overpower Batman with ease (i.e., grabbing Batman's arm somehow and tossing him).